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Psychedelics in Light of the Yoga Sutras


6 Nov 2009

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Psychedelics in Light of the Yoga Sutras

Allowah

 

"In addition to the LSD there were a number of other pills for this and that--diarrhea, fever, a sleeping pill, and so forth. He asked about each of these. He asked if they gave powers. I didn't understand at the time and thought that by "powers" perhaps he meant physical strength. I said, "No." Later, of course, I came to understand that the word he had used, "siddhis," means psychic powers."

~ Ram Dass on Neem Karoli Baba, from Be Here Now

 

"The beatific vision, Sat Chit Ananda, Being-Awareness-Bliss, for the first time I understood, not on the verbal level, not by inchoate hints or at a distance, but precisely and completely what those prodigious syllables referred to ..."

~ Aldous Huxley, Doors of Perception

 

I never heard any of my teachers mention the Yoga Sutras, a collection of aphorisms on Yoga dating anywhere from 200 BCE to 500 CE and attributed to a sage named Patanjali. In the West today, the text has become the primary source on Yoga and is highly quoted and referenced, but it just didn't seem to be all that important to my Indian gurus. That said, much of what my traditional teachers were imparting to their disciples certainly meshed with what is found in the Sutras.

First and foremost, what is known as Raja Yoga, or Ashtanga Yoga, which is laid out in the Sutras, was assumed by all of my teachers. The Sanskrit word "Ashtanga" translates as "8 limbs," and these limbs are as follows:

1) Yama refers to the five abstentions.

* Ahimsa: non-violence,

* Satya: truth in word & thought.

* Asteya: Non-stealing

* Brahmacharya: Conservation of Sexual
Energy.

* Aparigraha: Non-possessiveness

2) Niyama refers to the five observances.

* Shaucha: cleanliness of body & mind.

* Santosha: satisfaction/contentment.

* Tapas: austerity/physical & mental discipline.

* Svadhyaya: Self-study (Introspection), and Study of Sacred Texts.

* Ishvarapranidhana: surrender to (or worship of) God.

3) Asana: Discipline of the body: rules and postures to keep it disease-free and for preserving vital energy. Correct postures are a physical aid to meditation, for they control the limbs and nervous system and prevent them from producing disturbances.

4) Pranayama: control of breath.

5) Pratyahara: withdrawal of senses from their external objects.

The last three levels are called internal aids to Yoga (antaranga sadhana)

6) Dharana: Concentration of Mind.

7) Dhyana: steadfast meditation. Undisturbed flow of thought around the object of meditation (pratyayaikatanata).

8) Samadhi: oneness with the object of meditation.

 

My teachers all implicitly followed the above "8-fold Path" (Raja/Ashtanga Yoga), because they all assumed the primacy of meditation and Samadhi (meditation resulting in mystical union, or "cosmic consciousness"), seeing the other 6 limbs as a means to arrive at these last two. Meditation, in particular, was stressed repeatedly, especially by my main teacher, Amma, who would often exhort us to "Meditate, meditate, meditate!"; and if she had her way, we would all be meditating all day and night long. Once her Swami told us of how Amma had put him into a state of Samadhi for 24 hours straight, and Amma added: "Children, the day will come when you, too, will be absorbed in meditation for 24 hours in a day." I'm sure a lot of us were wondering, "Really? Which lifetime?," but we took the point that meditation is the most important of all practices.

If I am honest, I will tell you that I never had an experience of Samadhi beyond a taste of the lower Samadhis, such as "Bhava Samadhi," which is a trance state involving feelings of ecstasy and bliss. Most of these experiences came in the first couple years of my exposure to Yoga, and it was largely due to them that I continued on the path. Spiritual experiences that occur early on, I have always heard, are gifts of grace that are signs to the seeker that something is indeed happening, and serve to draw the aspirant more and more inward. Certainly this was the case with me, but over time these experiences became fewer and farther between, so that I was left wondering if perhaps I should try harder, or if they were just a passing stage in the journey.

Besides spiritual experiences, another milestone/by-product of meditation and other spiritual practices is what are known as "siddhis," often translated as "yogic powers," and sometimes "psychic powers." When I originally began the practice of yoga, I was attracted to the idea of gaining such special powers through my training. This was partly because I desired physical proof that my practices were bearing fruit, and I wasn't just wasting time and struggling in vain. Of course, with my experiences, with all of the little "aha" moments, and with all of the positive changes -- indeed, the transformation -- that yoga brought to my life, no further proof was needed, really. The only problem was that even though I knew I was a completely different person on the inside, it appeared that it was not always so obvious on the outside. My family, especially, wondered and worried about my somewhat cultish and cloistered behavior, concerned that I was wasting my precious Twenties doing impractical things like meditation that were inconsequential in terms of real world values.

My eldest brother, for example, would sometimes say things to me like, "Instead of meditating so much, I would like to see you really begin to develop a body of work as a singer/songwriter," to which I would respond, "Well, meditation is about going to the Source of all creativity, so it may seem like a waste of time, but it's actually a very wise investment of my time." I was heard, but not really understood or believed. So a part of me felt that once I was able to show my family that this wasn't all just airy fairy nonsense, then they would think differently about me. Certainly this was not the best reason for practicing (nor was the drive to have spiritual experiences), but I was green and can put it down to spiritual ignorance at that point.

Now the reader may wonder: Did I ever attain any siddhis? I cannot say for certain. I feel that I began to see glimpses of them (such as clairvoyance), and had I continued with my intense sadhana (yogic practice), who knows? At this point, I feel like I've lost much of whatever I had, but that's due to the choice I made to come back down to earth a bit. I did come into the presence of teachers, like Amma, who possessed such siddhis, and would sometimes display their powers, though usually only along the lines of clairvoyance (often referred to as "omniscience").

Returning now to the Yoga Sutras, there is a relevant sutra regarding the siddhis that begins the 4th and final chapter (pada) of the text, known as "Kaivalya Pada," or the chapter on liberation. The sutra reads as follows:

JANMAUSHADHI MANTRA TAPAH

SAMAADHI JAAH SIDDHAYAH

Janma = birth; aushadhi = herb, medicinal plant, drug, incense, elixir; mantra = incantation, charm, spell; tapah = heat, burning, shining, an ascetic devotional practice, burning desire to reach perfection, that which burns all impurities; samadhi = profound meditation, total absorption; jah = born; siddhayah = perfections, accomplishments, fulfilments, attainments, psychic powers.

Translation: "Siddhis are born of practices performed in previous births, or by herbs, mantra repetition, asceticism, or by samadhi." (Sutra 4.1) [i]

Essentially, for our purposes, this sutra says that via "aushadha," or herbs/drugs/plants, yogic powers can be attained. While this is fascinating information, unfortunately the sutras say nothing more about the subject, leaving us with many possible questions. Questions such as: 1) To what does "aushadhi" refer exactly?; 2) To which yogic powers do these herbs, aushadha , give rise? 3) How, exactly, do aushadha give rise to siddhis? 4) Is this sutra suggesting that it is permissible for a yogic aspirant to make use of aushadha as a means toward attaining success in Yoga? 5) Are all of the methods of attaining siddhis -- past lives, herbs, mantra, tapas, and samadhi -- of equal value, or are some better than others? 6) Why is the term "aushadhi" suddenly mentioned at the outset of the 4th and final chapter of the Yoga Sutras, and then not referred to again? These are some of the more basic questions that could be asked.

Fortunately, while we don't have much of a way of finding what the original meaning of sutra 4.1 is, we can at least refer to the considerable body of commentary on the sutras, in addition to contemporary teachers in the yoga tradition. As for the latter, let's consider first Neem Karoli Baba's words to Ram Dass, already quoted above.

"In addition to the LSD there were a number of other pills for this and that -- diarrhea, fever, a sleeping pill, and so forth. He asked about each of these. He asked if they gave powers. I didn't understand at the time and thought that by "powers" perhaps he meant physical strength. I said, "No." Later, of course, I came to understand that the word he had used, "siddhis," means psychic powers." [ii]

Neem Karoli Baba, a highly advanced yogi and guru, is asking his disciple, Ram Dass, if his LSD (and other pills) gives the consumer of them siddhis. Now, many of those who followed Neem Karoli Baba or were around him felt/believed/knew that he himself possessed such yogic powers, but as far as anyone knows, they were not derived from any kind of pill or drug, but from his sadhana and tapasya, meaning his yogic practice and discipline. In fact, one of the siddhis he was believed to possess was the ability to know anything that he chose to know at any time (again clairvoyance/omniscience), in which case perhaps he already knew the answer to the question he put to Ram Dass (apparently he was a bit of a trickster).

Whatever may be the case, for our purposes, it is enough to know that Neem Karoli Baba connected Ram Dass's drugs to siddhis, because that is exactly what Sutra 4.1 appears to do. From this we would not be amiss in thinking that yogis like Neem Karoli Baba are well aware of this passage in the Yoga Sutras; or even if they are not aware of the specific passage, there is no doubt an understanding among yogis that yogic powers can obtained via herbs and/or drugs. It should also be well noted that Neem Karoli Baba ultimately told Ram Dass that "yogi medicine" such as LSD can give one a glimpse of Samadhi, but not the "highest Samadhi," as he put it.

 

Turning now to our questions raised regarding Sutra 4.1, what do the traditional commentators on the Yoga Sutras have to say?

First, let us consider the words of Vyasa, a great rishi, or seer-sage who is credited as the author of the "Yoga Bhashya," which is a highly regarded and referenced commentary on the Yoga Sutras. Though Vyasa's comments on Sutra 4:1 regarding aushadha are cursory and ambiguous, like the sutra itself, we can still get some sense of his general approach. The text reads as follows:

"By herbs, as for example with chemicals in an Asura's (demon's) abode, medicinal powers are acquired."

Swami Hariharananda Aranya notes the difficulty in Vyasa's passage:

"The commentator has mentioned about the abode of demons but nobody knows where it is, but it is certain that supernormal powers on a small scale can be acquired by the application of drugs." [iii]

That said, Swami Hariharananda notes, the "supernormal powers" acquired through drugs "have nothing to do with Yoga," and are "insignificant."

"Some in a state of stupor through the application of anaesthetics like chloroform etc. acquire the power of going out of the body. It has also been reported that by the application of hemlock all over the body similar power is acquired. Witches were supposed to practise this method. These powers are "insignificant." [iv]

Swami Satyananda Saraswati of the Bihar School differs slightly with Swami Hariharananda Aranya's view. He holds that the herbs to which "aushadhi" refers do indeed produce powerful siddhis, and such "psychic powers" are true siddhis, not insignificant or inferior. However, these herbs do not include LSD or ganja (marijuana), which have a deleterious effect on the body (and it is this to which Swami H. might have been referring). In his own words:

"Psychic powers can be obtained in five ways ... Siddhis can also be had from herbs, but things like LSD and ganja are not to be included here because they cause disease and nervous disorders. These things cause depression of certain nerve centers and give rise to effects like samadhi, but they are not to be included in the herbs causing siddhis because they are of a lower type. Traditionally, aushadhi means the juice of certain herbs, such as anjana, rosayana, etc., but not LSD or ganja. The method of preparation is known to only a few responsible persons. These herbs are available in the Himalayas and nowhere else and bring about supramental states of consciousness.

"The effects of these herbs can be controlled through higher mental phenomena. There are certain preparations of mercury which are of great importance." [v]

 

Swami Satchidananda (the so-called "Woodstock Guru," who was wise to what his hippie yogi devotees were up to) differs from the above view in that he suggests that LSD and marijuana are indeed to be classed among the aushadha, and he agrees with Swami Hariharananda that siddhis obtained via herbs -- any herbs -- are of inferior value. He says:

"Patanjali...gives us some clues about the people who get some experiences through their LSD and marijuana. The so-called "grass" is an herb, is it not? Mushrooms could be considered herbs also ... So, there are various ways of accomplishing the psychic powers. But normally it is recognized that all the others except samadhi are not natural. For example, using herbs means inducing siddhis by the use of certain external stimuli. It's not an "organic" siddhi. It may come and then fade away. So, siddhis should come in the regular process of Yoga, not through external stimuli." [vi]

Swami Satchidananda's point is that the siddhis acquired through unnatural, non-organic means such as herbs is only temporary, and thus should not be taken seriously by the yoga aspirant. This is a point that would be good to be taken to heart by many of those who dabble in psychedelics, for it is clear that for most such persons, both experiences and psychic powers fade once the effects of the drug wear off. On the other hand, let us not discount the report of shamans who are capable of retaining the powers obtained from their plant medicine.

BKS Iyengar echoes Swami Satchidananda's view somewhat in that he regards those siddhis gained via aushadha as inferior in that they can be lost due to a fall from grace. Writing his commentary on the Yoga Sutras in the mid-Sixties, Iyengar first spells out in greater detail the five ways of becoming an accomplished yogi (siddha):

1. By birth with aspiration to become perfect (janma);

2. By spiritual experience gained through herbs (or as prescribed in the Vedas),

drugs or elixir (aushadha)

3) By incantation of the name of one's desired deity (mantra);

4) By ascetic devotional practice (tapas);

5) By profound meditation (samadhi)

Iyengar then goes on to note why all five of these classes of siddhas are not equal:

"There is an important distinction between these means of spiritual accomplishment. Followers of the first three may fall from the grace of Yoga through pride or negligence. The others, whose spiritual gains are through tapas and samadhi, do not. They become masters, standing alone as divine, liberated souls, shining examples to mankind...

"Sage Mandavya and King Yayati developed supernatural powers through an elixir of life. Today many drug users employ mescalin, LSD, hashish, heroin, etc. to experience the so-called spiritual visions investigated by Aldous Huxley and others. Artists and poets in the past have also relied on drugs to bring about supernormal states to enhance their art." [vii]

Iyengar's mention of Huxley is interesting here, particularly as Huxley referred to the psychedelics as "moksha medicine" [viii], and had he lived to have read Iyengar's commentary, he no doubt would have been chagrined by Iyengar's "so-called spiritual visions" put-down. We will be considering Huxley's life and work shortly, but for now, let Iyengar's view be noted well, that the truly great yogis do not attain their high status through the medium of aushadha.

Let us also take note that Iyengar's point has been made and echoed by numerous other commentators. I.K. Taimni, whose commentary on the Yoga Sutras entitled "The Science of Yoga" has become one of the most well-regarded in the english language, translates "aushadhi" as "drugs," and similarly notes that

"Of the five methods given only the last based upon Samadhi is used by advanced Yogis in their work because it is based upon direct knowledge of the higher laws of Nature and is, therefore, under complete control of the will." [ix]

Taimni's point is that the Yoga Sutras, after all, are all about attaining Samadhi through yogic discipline, not via aushadha (this is not the "Aushadha Sutras," after all); indeed, he notes that all of the siddhis mentioned in the third chapter of the Sutras are obtained via what is known as "Samyama," which is the combination of concentration (dharana), meditation (dhyana), and absorption (samadhi). Like Iyengar, Taimni privileges the siddhis attained via Samyama above those obtained otherwise:

"The Siddhis which are developed as a result of the practice of Samyama belong to a different category and are far superior to those developed in other ways. They are the product of the natural unfoldment of consciousness in its evolution towards perfection and thus become permanent possessions of the soul, although a little effort may be needed in each new incarnation to revive them in the early stages of Yogic training. Being based upon knowledge of the higher laws of Nature operating in her subtler realms they can be exercised with complete confidence and effectiveness, much in the same way as a trained scientist can bring about extraordinary results in the field of physical Science." [xii]

As with Swami Hariharananda, Taimni concurs that such yogic powers in any case are of not much importance, even when they are "remarkable":

"Psychic powers of a low grade can often be developed by the use of certain drugs. Many fakirs in India use certain herbs like Ganja for developing clairvoyance of a low order. Others can bring about very remarkable chemical changes by the use of certain drugs or herbs, but those who know these secrets do not generally impart them to others. Needless to say that the powers obtained in this manner are not of much consequence and should be classed with the innumerable powers which modern Science has placed at our disposal." [xiii]

This reminds me of the story of the guru who chides his student for showing off how he can walk on water. "Why would you bother yourself with that," the guru laughs, "when the ferry works just as well, and might even be quicker?!!" Needless to say, perhaps, displaying one's powers was/is generally not considered a wise course of action.

 

Two slightly more contemporary commentators have something quite similar to say regarding sutra 4:1. Krishnamacharya's son, TVK Desikachar, in his relatively more recent book, The Heart of Yoga, remarks:

"The Vedas describe various rituals whereby the taking of herbal preparations in a prescribed way can change one's personality ... Only the practices described in earlier chapters [of the Yoga Sutras] to reduce and render the five obstacles [to yoga] ineffective can guarantee the end of these tendencies. Genetic inheritance, the use of herbs, and other means cannot be as effective." [xiv]

The well-known scholar of Yoga, Georg Feuerstein, likewise mentions the ancient Vedic rituals, implicitly accepting their validity, though downplaying their ultimate value:

"The use of herbal concoctions may seem surprising. Yet this tradition goes right back to vedic times and ritual quaffing of the soma (fly-agaric?). At any rate, nowhere in the Yoga-Sutra or any other Yogic scripture do we find the claim that drugs can replace the years of self-discipline and commitment demanded of the yogin." [xv]

One other traditional teacher who added to this overall consensus on the superiority of Samadhi was Swami Prabhavananda, who commented on Sutra 4:1 as follows:

"Certain drugs may produce visions but these are invariably psychic -- not spiritual, as is commonly believed. Furthermore, they may cause prolonged spiritual dryness and disbelief and may even do permanent damage to the brain...Concentration [samadhi] is the surest of all the means of obtaining the psychic powers." [xvi]

Swami Prabhavananda makes an interesting point, and one well worth considering. We are all familiar with the phenomenon of "chemical burnout," which generally comes from years of taking psychedelics (and perhaps other drugs), usually in a less than disciplined way. So while the long-term effects of psychedelics are still not fully known, it is clear that for some they do seem to have a deleterious effect. Even for myself, who have almost exclusively ingested or smoked plant medicines (Ayahuasca, San Pedro, Marijuana) and done so but a handful of times, I wonder whether the expansive, ecstatic experiences are a corrective to my own spiritual dryness and jadedness, or are in fact adding to them. Were the experiences even real (if anything is)? Where was God? Won't I be spoiled now for all of the beautiful little gifts of grace the universe throws my way every moment of every day? Etc., ad nauseum.

What is needed, it seems to me, is a constant connection with Source, one that is not dependent on any outside factor, such as a drug or herb or elixir or other concoction. On this, I am in agreement with the traditional commentators above. True, the path of aushadha might just be a viable one for some already advanced souls, but they also could be a trap or distraction for others, including myself.

That said, the fact that herbs that give rise to siddhis are mentioned at all in the Yoga Sutras is significant, and should give us pause. One wonders what the traditions around the use of aushadha are, and if it in reality is a real, viable yogic path, on equal par with the practice of "Samyama" that the Yoga Sutras privileges? What about the preparations of the juice of the herbs "anjana" and "rosayana" which Swami Satyananda Saraswati mentioned? To answer these and other questions I turned to the work of some of the more recent commentators on these subjects, including my Yoga and Ayurveda teacher, Dr. David Frawley, as well as Dr. Robert Svoboda and Pandit Rajmani Tigunait (current head of the Himalayan Institute).

In his book, Inner Quest: Yoga's Answers to Life's Questions, Pandit Rajmani Tigunait discusses at some length the use of herbs in connection with spiritual practice. Among other things, he notes the connection of herbs not so much with the path of Raja/Ashtanga Yoga, but of Tantra and Kundalini:

"According to Ayurveda, especially the tantric version, herbs are the embodiment of the living goddess. If applied properly they release divine energies -- to heal not only the physical aspect of our being, but the mental and spiritual aspects as well...[Using herbs as part of one's spiritual practice] is briefly introduced in the first sutra of chapter four of Patanjali's Yoga Sutras. It is greatly elaborated in the tantric scriptures, as herbs play a significant role in the advanced practices of Tantra and kundalini yoga." [xv]

 

Admittedly, I know very little of Tantra, much less the tantric scriptures. Again, this is as a result of who my gurus were, which was decidedly not tantric gurus. Amma would on occasion strongly caution us against reading any tantric books, and my other teachers also never had anything to say about Tantra, and if they had, it probably wouldn't have been anything good. Like many others, I had only heard of "tantric sex," and hints of other forbidden things, and somehow it seemed to me to be a path for the wild, impure ones. And at that point, at least, I was not too tempted to take a walk on the wild side.

Interestingly enough, though, on my first trip to India to see Amma, my Australian friend Billy advised me to purchase a copy of Dr. Robert Svoboda's Aghora: At the Left Hand of God, which is all about the tantric path, and it served as my first real introduction to the subject.

One of the first and most important things I learned from Svoboda's book is that just as there is white and black magic, similarly, Tantra is divided into "righthanded" Tantra (Dakshinachara), and "lefthanded" Tantra (Vamachara). It is really only the latter which involves the "5 m's," namely: 1) Madya (wine); 2) Mansa (meat); 3) Matsya (fish); 4) Mudra (gesture); and 5) Maithuna (sexual intercourse). Still, both right and left-handed Tantra are legitimate paths, though both Drs. Frawley and Svoboda suggest that the Vamachara path is but a means to the Dakshinachara path, and not an end in itself.

Dr. Frawley has put it this way:

"Tantra is divided into the right handed and left handed Tantras. The right handed or Dakshinachara adheres to the Yamas and Niyamas of the Yoga system, including following a vegetarian diet. The left handed or Vamachara system includes the use of intoxicants, including alcohol and psychedelic or mind-altering drugs, and the eating of meat, but sanctified in a ritualistic context to make them spiritually beneficial. The Vamachara system uses the more overt sexual Yogas, though the Dakshinachara tradition is not opposed to sex in a sanctified relationship.

"Generally speaking, the right-handed Tantra is more for those in whom Sattva guna predominates. The left-handed Tantra is for those in whom Rajas and Tamas predominate.

"There are some Tantric teachers today who do claim that a meat diet and other Vamachara practices are a better and quicker way to reach Self-realization. They may claim that the Dakshinachara or sattvic approaches are not possible for people to really do today and only result in repression. This tradition does exist for those who want to follow it. Yet while the Vamachara done sincerely can be a valid path, particularly in the modern cultural context, it is a stepping stone to Dakshinachara, not a substitute for it." [xvi]

Dr. Svoboda's teacher, Swami Vimalananda, likewise suggests that the goal of Vamachara Tantra is Sattva. In a section on the subject of intoxicants and the "Left Hand Path," Swami Vimalanda says:

"This is the true test of an Aghori: From full-blown Tamas he must graduate to pure Sattva, love for all." [xvii]

In the end, Swami Vimalananda says he gave up intoxicants when he

"realized that the greatest intoxicant there is exists within me at all times. It is free, easy to use, harmless, and never gives me a hangover. It is the name of God. It gives the best concentration of mind. The effects of alcohol or marijuana or whatever will wear off by the next day, but the intoxication caused by God's name just goes on increasing; there is no end to it. I use it all the time, and it always works for me. No matter what has been my problem, the holy name of God has always been my solution. This is true Aghora. Forget all the externals; only when your heart melts and is consumed in the flames of your desire for your Beloved will you ever come close to qualifying to learn the true Aghora." [xviii]

In other words, in our context, this means that psychedelics are not the end-all and be-all of yoga, but a stepping stone to arrive at a clearer, purer realm of being and experiencing. This would involve ultimately graduating from psychedelics to a more Sattvic path involving vegetarianism, sexual moderation, austerity, meditation, and other "chemical-free" practices. [xxi]

 

Some are under the misconception that the yoga path absolutely forbids intoxicants, and perhaps especially mind-altering drugs, but here we see that this is not the case; rather, it is more a matter of more ideal vs. less ideal, where the path of chemically-enhancing one's practice is not considered the most ideal. This misconception is fairly widespread, such that even I was a bit surprised when Dr. Frawley wrote to me the following:

"Intoxicants may be helpful on an outer level for some yoga practitioners, particularly to open them up to higher possibilities. Many ancient and tribal cultures have their sacred plants that can be used for such purposes. However, there is a tendency to abuse such plants or use them in a non-sacred way, so one should be very cautious in their application."

I really thought that Dr. Frawley would give me more of a hard-line, like, "Psychelics and Yoga do not mix -- period!" But clearly, thankfully, it's all in one's intent, and if one's intent is to use the given plant or chemical in a sacramental way, then that is permissible. But again, the user must remember that once one is "opened up to higher possibilities," as Dr. Frawley put it, then it is advisable to move on to a slower, but steadier and more reliable practice, such as "the name of God," as Swami Vimalananda suggested (and "mantra," we will recall from Yoga Sutra 4:1, is also a legitimate path to perfection/siddhi).

 

Now it might be asked: Although this all makes perfect sense on paper, how does it actually all play out in real, postmodern, hurtling-toward-2012 life? Because if I look at my own experience, according to this model, I actually started out on a fairly Sattvic path, and maintained it for years, but more recently I have taken a decided turn towards left-handed Tantra, including the use of psychedelics. Did I fall from the path? Or did I just become a bit impatient to have certain experiences of other realities that I was losing faith that I ever would? Put another way: Have I digressed and devolved, or is this somehow all a necessary step in my own "soulular" evolution?

And what about someone like Terrence McKenna, who went as far as to say that practices like chanting and meditation don't even make much sense except in the context of the shamanic journey? [See previous footnote] Would McKenna have found his way to in any way accept that to further his evolution he might have to forgo his psychedelic sessions in favor of, say, vipassana meditation? For now, let it be remembered that the Yoga Sutras do say that aushadha is one path to the attainment of "siddha-hood"; or, we might say, psychedelics are their own path, their own discipline, and Terrence was faithfully following it.

Now what about these "siddhis," or yogic powers? I had often heard and read that such powers are "milestones" along the path to enlightenment or Self/God-realization -- they are not to be sought or abused, but rather to be seen as mere by-products along the journey of awakening. Yogananda, for example, discusses this point in Autobiography of a Yogi, noting that some yogis abuse such powers, demonstrating them for the sake of fame or fortune (as does Paul Brunton in a contemporary work to Yogananda's, A Search in Secret India). More recently, however, in his book on the Yoga Sutras entitled Yoga, Power, and Spirit: Patanjali the Shaman, Alberto Villodo, Ph.D. maintains that according to Patanjali,

"the siddhis are essential to achieving samadhi, which is the true power ... to deny them [the siddhis] is to deny your ultimate freedom. You can only step beyond these powers once you've acquired them. Renouncing them beforehand, as many practitioners of yoga do, mimics yet forestalls the true liberation... In addition, renouncing the siddhis, as some yoga teachers today advocate, keeps you powerless, and perpetuates your suffering as a victim." [xxii]

This is a point well-taken, considering that the Yoga Sutras do describe a number of these siddhis, ranging from clairvoyance, knowledge of past and future events (including one's past lives), the power to make oneself minute or even invisibile, superhuman strength, conquest of hunger and thirst, among others. Again, these all result from the practice of "Samyama." But what of siddhis that arise through other means, such as use of aushadha -- are they comparable?

As we have seen, Iyengar and others note that while such siddhis might indeed be equivalent to those gained via Samyama, they are generally not permanent acquisitions of the aspirant, but are rather subject to loss due to a "fall from grace," or by some other means. This is an interesting point, and to really check its validity would perhaps require a very careful study of shamanism. For the time being, perhaps, we can at least consider anecdotal evidence.

For my part, I recently met a woman who had a quite harrowing LSD trip in the early Seventies and was never the same afterwards, not only because of the trauma, but because the LSD seems to have given her the ability to perceive unseen levels of reality. Today in her work she offers the shamanic healing technique of "soul retrieval," as well as working in other therapeutic modalities that require access to these hidden dimensions. For her, at least, the effects of her psychedelic experience have lasted for more than 3 decades. Dr. Rick Strassman told me via email that he knows of a similar case, but here the woman's psychic powers went away once she became a Christian. Dr. Strassman wrote,

I recently got an e-mail from a Christian woman, who when younger, was slipped some PCP, which "opened the portals" for her to have all kinds of paranormal, psychic, experiences. She's a reasonable sounding woman, so I don't think she was psychotic. She and her husband became serious Christians and the portals seem to have closed. How exactly do you mean "clairvoyant"? This woman wasn't seeing things from a distance, for example.

It might be helpful to look into other "accidental" ways of acquiring such powers, such as through Near-Death Experiences (NDE's). It seems a significant portion of those claiming to have had such experiences also maintain the experience left them with such powers (the movie "Resurrection" deals with this). Astral projection, or out-of-body experiences, are also another avenue for exploring this issue. In general, however, we can say that such claims remain difficult to prove or disprove; and in most cases of psychedelic use, the experience, and whatever psi powers attend it during the "trip," generally disappear once the experience fades, or if not all at once, then eventually.

Such has been my experience thus far: As real and as powerful and transformational as my psychedelic experiences have been, it is amazing that so little of it actually has stayed with me. Perhaps if I did them more often, and in an even more disciplined way, the case would be different, but for right now, I am left with the sense that these things are so transitory to the point of being almost unhelpful as far as gaining siddhis, or attaining to Samadhi. This is not to diminish the value of having a glimpse, however paltry it might be, of Samadhi, as well as all of the other lessons that went along with that, don't get me wrong; it is just to suggest that unless approached in a disciplined way as a discipline, the deeper lessons of these plant teachers might be missed.

 

 

Postscript: Since writing this essay, I read Padmani's interesting piece, "Insects, Yoga, and Ayahuasca," published by Reality Sandwich. One thing which is certainly applicable here is Padmani's mentioning that "practices such as pranayama (breath control) and asana (physical exercise) -- the two most important components of modern yoga practice in the West -- are considered chemical means ["aushadhi"], according to Shri Brahmananda Sarasvati, because they work by causing biochemical changes in the body and mind." While I have not yet located the primary source for this (maybe Padmani could help?), I feel this to be a very important point -- that we are indeed inducing changes in brain chemistry via the practice of Hatha Yoga, which is one reason why more and more people are becoming "addicted" -- for better and/or for worse. I should also note that I thought to send this piece to RS because of Padmani's piece, hoping that this might clarify some points she made, as well as move the discussion a bit further along.

 

Notes

[i] This is largely based on BKS Iyengar's translation of the Yoga Sutras in "Light on the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali," ("Patanjala Yoga Pradipika), Thorsons, Hammersmith, 1966/1996, p. 230.

[ii] A paraprhrase of the story told by Ram Dass in "Be Here Now," Lama Foundation, New Mexico, 1971 (no page number listed).

[iii] As quoted in Swami Hariharananda Aranya, "Yoga Philosophy of Patanjali," SUNY Press, 1983, p. 346.

[iv] Ibid, pp. 346-347.

[v] Ibid.

[vi] Ibid, p. 346.

[vii] Swami Satyananda Saraswati, "Four Chapters on Freedom: Commentary on the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali," Yoga Publications Trust, Munger, Bihar, India, 1976, 2000, pp. 307-308.

[viii] Swami Satchidananda, "The Yoga Sutras of Patanajali: Commentary on the Raja Yoga Sutras," Integral Yoga Publications, 1990, p. 207.

[ix] Unfortunately, most of this evidence is anecdotal. For more on this, see Roger Walsh, M.D., Ph.D., "The World of Shamanism: New Views of an Ancient Tradition," Llewellyn Publications, 2007, pp. 223-234.

[x] BKS Iyengar, op. cit., pp. 230-231.

[xi] In his last book, the utopian novel, "Island," which we will be discussing at greater length in a later chapter.

[xii] I.K. Taimni, "The Science of Yoga." The Theosophical Publishing House, Wheaton, Illinois 1961/1999, p. 378.

[xiii]Ibid, pp. 382-383.

[xiv] T.K.V. Desikachar, "The Heart of Yoga: Developing a Personal Practice," Inner Traditions International, Rochester, Vermont, 1995, pp. 203, 206.

[xv] . Georg Feuerstein, "Yoga-Sutra of Patanjali: A New Translation and Commentary." Inner Traditions International, 1979, 1989, p. 126.

[xvi] Swami Prabhavananda and Christopher Isherwood, "How to Know God: The Yoga Aphorisms of Patanjali," p. 203.

 

[xvii] Pandit Rajmani Tigunait, Ph.D. "Inner Quest: Yoga's Answers to Life's Questions." Himalayan Institute Press, Honesdale, Pa, 1995/2002, pp. 112-117.

 

[xviii] Dr. David Frawley, "Advanced Yoga and Ayurveda Course," pp. 116-117.

[xix] Dr. Robert Svoboda, "Aghora: At the Left Hand of God," p. 184.

[xx] Ibid, pp. 185-186.

[xxi] Krystle Cole, who started the popular "Neurosoup," says as much in her YouTube videos, though she and most will admit that practices such as meditation, chanting, breathing, etc., are not as powerful as a relatively high dose of a psychedelic. Terrence McKenna suggested that "mantra, yantra, tantra" in addition to psychedelics could be very effective, and not nearly so much on their own.

[xxii] Alberto Villodo, Ph.D., "Yoga, Power, and Spirit: Patanjali the Shaman," xxv.

 

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Hmmmm

Submitted by Otaboy on Tue, 01/27/2009 - 17:06.

All very interesting, however, is not Yoga about becoming independant? The siddhis, may well be a by product of our effort towards a certain goal, but should not become the reason we practice or a distraction from discovering our true nature. Relying on certain plant remedies to achieve a certain level of clarity does not promote independence, only dependence......... 

I think Otaboy an

Submitted by Ethnobot on Tue, 01/27/2009 - 18:47.

I think Otaboy has an interesting point: is it not the way of yogi or yoga to ever question and constantly pursue meditation and Nirvana? take the reference that Allowah uses to the use of power, and the story of the Pupil who tries to impress his master by walking on water, and his master states the simple obviousness of "why walk on water when you can take the ferry?" In this contrast that even when it seems you have reached enlightenment or power, it is in your teaching to question and ponder the very fact of reaching the state you have. the very independence of being able to reach such a state then becomes the dependence of everything after. that you must then embark, meditate, and search for that next level of understanding and learning. when a plant, herb, or even experience brings you into a second state of being, awareness or "Samadhi," it is the ultimate goal to re-apply the Sutra 4:1 and re-embark on the journey that brought you to the very state that you so ultimately reached. There is always a ferry to take you across the river.

Replying to Ethnobot and Otaboy...

Submitted by Allowah on Wed, 01/28/2009 - 00:57.

Thank you both for your thoughtful comments.

 Yes, Otaboy, the goal is to be independent, and I hope the readers of this piece get that most of the commentators on Sutra 4.1 seem to be in agreement that drugs/herbs are but a means to that greater end.

 

On the other hand, that doesn't mean they have no value whatsoever for the yogi, or for the one who is seeking greater s/Self-understanding 

Psychedelics can open a door and provide a view of other realities in a very powerful way, perhaps moreso than any other practice or modality out there.

 It's no secret that many of today's most prominent Western yogis and Buddhists got turned on to their respective Eastern traditions via psychedelics in the Sixties.   And here we are on this site that was created by a truth seeker whose path into all of this stuff was through the psychedelic experience.  

 So while these things are not the end all and be all, they may just have "remedial" value for those of us who are deeply enmeshed in a rampantly materialistic culture.  So I'm saying: Let's forget about being great yogis for a moment, and instead feel into the possibility of using these substances to get us to the point where we might just begin to see what it might feel like to even be an enlightened master, and then let's let our subsequent actions be shaped by that.

       The greatest "siddhi" as far as I am aware is to fully embody love via remaining constant in the "Witness State" (sakshi bhava), or Pure Awareness.  One thing which my psychedelic experiences showed me was that even in the most altered state, this quality of pure awareness is ever-present.

  

       

 3~' Shanti, Allowah

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Why Nature is full of tryptamines...?

Submitted by Zorro on Tue, 01/27/2009 - 20:38.

Enigma:

Why Mother Nature(we are part of Her) is saturated of tryptamines that trigger expansion of conciousness...?

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It's time for:

Recovering the Dionysian-Endogenous Yoga

 

"In order to view physical Yoga and meditation as just endogenous to our development (and as awesome) as gestation once was, as taking one's first post-umbilical breath, as adolescent puberty, we must deconstruct the over-formalized pedagogical edifices that have grown around it.
Both indigenously over the ages and in their translation and importation into the West, the "innately arising" (sahaja), panentheistic, Dionysian origins of Yoga and meditation have been shaped and over-shaped into apollonian pedagogical constructs and otherwise tamed and over-tamed to avoid real or imagined dangers.


The moral sentiments (yama and niyama) and their mercies became mere rules of the rigid-mandatory, or lip-service varieties. The grace of sequence and consequence of karma was "mechanicalized" into an arch-law, in contrast to the Dionysian teachings that the Divine Power is independent of "karmic laws." The mysterious flow of lineage stiffened into the rigidities of caste, also in contrast to the Dionysian rejection of caste prejudice and the "crazy wisdoms" that ridicule it.

The reverentially ecstatic "Dance of Shiva, Lord of Yogis," became stylized in public rituals, "classical" music and dance, and in the overly formalized yogic asanas themselves, or withered in the severe asceticisms of the fakir. By the second century C.E., Patanjali's dualistic, "classical" Yoga-Sutra had formalized an over-separation between Nature (prakriti) and ultimate Subjectivity (purusha), thus "rejecting the idea that the world is an aspect of the Divine" (Georg Feuerstein, Yoga: The Technology of Ecstasy, p. 412).

Imitating others' endogenously originated movements, heartfelt utterances, righteous actions or rapt concentrations, one can go through the back door (literally via a ventral ["front door"] or "Eastern" bodily channel) into the similar depths of wonder, wisdom, and delight. And, by motionless meditation, too, one can enter. Thus, we have numerous helpful yogic texts, new and ancient, and a proliferation of Yoga and still-meditation classes.

But when kundalini is reintroduced (via the "Western" and more body-involving spinal channel) to our involvement with physical Yoga and meditation, something deep and primordial ripples through the viscera and physical Yoga or meditation practices can no more be considered "teachable techniques" than gestation or puberty can be.

For Kundalini-Yoga surfaces from the same bodily depths as gestation, the first breath, adolescent puberty, and now, beyond. Hope and human development converge as the scent, sound, feel, or taste of future possibilities fructifying in the radiant juices and humming in the quivering tissues of the body and in the dazzling effulgence of consciousness. Moving with that is Yoga.

Energy-based, spontaneous Yoga is also vividly apparent in the developmental movements and perpetual stretchings of infants. As the thirteenth-century attainer of final maturation, Shri Jnaneshvara stated:

 

"That is called [yogic-developmental] action of the body in which reason takes no part and which does not originate as an idea springing in the mind. To speak simply, yogis perform actions with their bodies, like the movements of children. ". .  Stuart Sovatsky
More here: http://www.cit-sakti.com/kundalini/sahaja-spontaneous-yoga.htm

Pasito a pasito,Todo quiere ser querido.

Thank you for posting, Zorro...

Submitted by Allowah on Wed, 01/28/2009 - 21:46.

Kundalini Yoga is another path, associated with Tantra. I was initiated by Sri Anandi Ma into her lineage as given to her by her guruji, Sri Madhusudandasji. It is a lineage that gives "Shaktipat" which is where the teacher (Sri Anandi Ma, in my case) transmits Shakti (divine energy of transformation) to the disciple. As the Kundalini Shakti does its work, the disciple generally experiences "kriyas," which are somatic releasings of the body that remove energy blockages, ultimately restoring him/her to their natural, whole, childlike state. The connection between Kundalini and Psychedelics is a whole other essay in itself...

 

As for Georg Feuerstein, here is a more recent statement he has made on the subject of yoga and psychedelics:

 

“There are no shortcuts to authentic existence. It must be won by the hard work of personal actualization. An aspirin tablet can remove a headache, but it cannot eliminate the cause behind the symptom. Similarly, conscious-altering drugs can temporarily remove the barricades in our mind and nervous system that prevent us from experiencing all perceivable objects at once. They can give us a transient feeling of happiness; they can even propel an individual into a state of formless ecstasy. But they cannot permanently remove the cause of our psychological insularity and suffering.

“In traditional metaphysical terms, drugs are incapable of once and for all disabling the mechanism of self-contraction that is responsible for our self-experience as finite beings. They are not a substitute for spiritual discipline and the gradual transmutation of our most deep-seated (karmic) patterns that stand in the way of enlightenment and genuine happiness…”

 

~ Georg Feuerstein, Yoga Philosophy and History, p. 28

 

 

 

3~' Shanti

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Thankyou for posting this!

Submitted by Daenin Tejeda on Sun, 02/01/2009 - 03:26.

I found your references and knowledge of yoga and point of view to be very informative and enriching.

Blessings

 

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Very cool piece

Submitted by terseword on Tue, 01/27/2009 - 20:51.

As someone who has only recently begun practicing Yoga, I have really enjoyed some of the articles on RS lately.   I find pregnant with ancient or not yet made memories the idea of siddhis.   

One thing I would like to bring up : the idea that changes in physiology brought on by adrenaline and endorphin/enkaphalin (as well as DMT) production and release being aushadi (although I can envision folks becoming addicted) kind of sucks.   Some of my greatest experiences with Yoga come from intense physical exertion, right breathing and the majestic molecules involved.    Namaste

"The trouble with steeling yourself against the harshness of reality is that the same steel that secures your life against being destroyed secures your life also against being opened up and transformed."  - Frederick Buechner

That's Just One View...

Submitted by Allowah on Wed, 01/28/2009 - 22:31.

Thanks, Terseword, that's a nice reality check, because I felt the same when I first read that.

If you're going to include asana and pranayama in "aushadhi" (things that affect one's brain chemistry), then why not just include everything, because doesn't everything we do affect our neurophysiology in some way or another? Where do you draw the line? What about "tapasya" (austerity)? Why wouldn't/couldn't asana and pranayama be included in that category? Etc. You get the idea that maybe we shouldn't get too hung up on the Yoga Sutras, because no one seems to know what they're saying anyway, and they just present one possible model.

As Zorro points out below, too, why should this be an either/or kind of thing, anyway? Why not a both/and? Why can't we have a completely holistic, well-rounded path that includes any and all practices and technologies that we find helpful? That goes for teachers, too -- why not be open to learning from anyone and everyone and everything. That seems to be what this time on the planet is calling for...

 

3~' Shanti

Pradipika

Submitted by sfauthor on Tue, 01/27/2009 - 22:05.

Nice posting. Do you know about this edition of the Pradipika?

http://www.YogaVidya.com/hyp.html

Shri Brahmananda Saraswati's gloss

Submitted by Padmani on Wed, 01/28/2009 - 00:07.

In the commentary to YS IV.1, Shri Brahmananda Saraswati says:"Perfection by chemical means is produced by chemical, biochemical, and biological changes in body tissue. Breathing exercises, postures, asanas, and various powerful drugs are included in this group" ("The Textbook of Yoga Psychology: The Definitive Translation and Interpretation of Patanjali's Yoga Sutras," Baba Bhagavandas Publication Trust, 1997, p. 300)

Thank you, Padmani!

Submitted by Allowah on Wed, 01/28/2009 - 01:58.

Very interesting, would love to hear more, if there is more...  

 We have to keep in mind that when yogis in India practice Hatha Yoga, they will do it for hours and sometimes days on end.  I used to practice Ashtanga Yoga intensely for 4-5 hours at a time, and I would sometimes enter an altered state, but nothing like Ayahuasca.  I've stood on my head for over an hour, and likewise not much happened.  Long distance running can put one in a very grounded, focused space, good for sitting still.  I have experienced runner's high and have  run to the point of nearly hallucinating, but again, it does not compare to psychedelics.  The only thing that has come close for me so far is Transformational Breathwork (similar to Stanislav Grof's Holotropic Breathwork).   Still not as powerful as Ayahuasca (which for me was what I imagine giving birth must feel like) though definitely exhilarating.  

 

3~' Shanti

I prefer psychedelics and here's why

Submitted by zezt on Wed, 01/28/2009 - 05:26.

I have been amazed in the past that very sponaneously when bemushroomed I have gotmyself into Hatha yoga postures. For the joy of stretching the organism. And of course I sense that psychedelic experience came first, and yogic postures followed, and then most likely followed by the desire for 'god-like powers/siddhe', which is like magick.

This need for POWER!

 

This sitting and self absorbtion, and wanting power.

Whereas for me, the essential meaning of psychedelics and experience is not 'getting powers'--whatever they be. BUT understanding relationship with nature. Understanding the power of nature! And us feeling into this cyclic changing natural power

 And also encouraging the power to see what is going on in the world, and find ways to actively change things for the better. This must need seeing through all forms of power-mongering.

Acheivement ... the very Antithesis of Yoga

Submitted by Pippalayana on Sat, 04/18/2009 - 10:41.

One has to realize that there is no such thing as a standardization of Yoga

... if one really looks deep into the ancient Vedic Purana's of India ... yoga successions and lineages have come and gone countless times

... and that like Christianity and Buddhism ... new versions/sects are still coming into being as we speak.

If Moses came down from the mountain and saw people unnecessarily worshiping idols ... well a new law not to worship such becomes manifest.

So if some individual or group was getting a little far gone on certain herbal combination at a certain time, them all of a sudden there is law written that these things detract from the so-called goal.

It behooves one to look at all time and circumstantial law as that and that alone.

The book of life is still being written

To say that one does or does not need such and such for the attainment of such and such ... well there has always been way more followers than leaders

It is actually like a "main clause" in all bona-fide yogic texts that the achievement of "siddhis" are actually a distraction from the ultimate goal of unified consciousness with all.

To take a mushroom ... get relatively mystic ... and then decide to cross the legs in a lotus position {yogic asana} and complete the session with a profound meditation ... integrating the supra-conscious state with the day to day inertia ... well ...

To practice yoga astutely gaining the meditative strength and prowess over time to where one feels ready to take a mushroom ... confirming all of the acquired "siddhis/attainments" as nothing more than synergistic plateaus of comprehension in relation to this overall mystic moment... well

How are these two things not complimentary to one another ... integrate-able into their own yoke ... that there have not been countless persons, over time, who could achieve a yoke with such variables ... that for other persons ... were just too far out of reach.

Of course chemically synthesized technologies like those that brought us LSD, etc will never match the more organic "Rasayana" science of pure herbal Soma's or "eternal juices"

This sense of eternity, or spirituality .. the very mellowing humor, of eternal rasa ... is at the very base of the Entheogenic experiences.

It is this alone that separates an Entheogen from a Hallucinogen.

From a Samadhi ... from a bad trip

It being the quality of the moment that is the "proof" of the conscious yoke/yoga

An herb is no more a crutch, that breathing exercises are ... than having to posture the body just right ... they are only crutches if we have disabled ourselves ...

Otherwise they are all but ingredients to add into the universal synergy "mix/yoke" of the moment ...

It being our consciousness itself that is responsible for linking/yoking all things at all times ... to separate out .. classify and judge ... well even a yogi can leave Eden in the name of knowledge/siddhi {tree of knowledge ... biblical}

The itch for power/attainment over-ridding the intuitive mystical yoke with all things.

The more concentrated the focus ... the less included in the peripheral.

Yet if one applied this same undue focus on herbal extraction ...like ultra-high potency chemical derivatives of today ... well then this is the very same mistake.

The less spiritual synergy one will have with the plant spirit

... we want the power ... not the synergy

...we want the potency of the dope/drug to override our need to consciously yoke with all that is associated with that experience.

I think, as a side note, that it is this mentality alone that is responsible for the suppression of the Entheogenic substances at present ... that many of us are just too eager for the effect ... at the expense of deepening our yoke with all cause.

"Maya" is therefore the same for the Yogi as it is for the Plant Shaman ... "perfection" being basically the same as well.

The Art is in the ability to value synergy over potency/power.

It being the purity and quality of the consciousness itself that determines the ability to integrate experience.

Not that the things of experience are actually determining our conscious yoke ...

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Beautiful

Submitted by Sound_of_Windchimes on Wed, 01/28/2009 - 11:43.

Just wanted to thank the author for a beautiful, and well researched, article on a very important topic. I practiced yoga and meditation years ago, greatly desiring to experience an altered, greater state of awareness. But I didn't know what I desired to attain; I could not comprehend what a superconscious state meant. How can we seek to become or attain something we cannot define? Although super conscious states and siddhis attained through the use of psychadelics are not as lasting as those gained through meditation and sincere sanyasa, they can serve as a step through the door to higher awakening. I do find myself wanting to return to Yoga and meditation more than ever, because I have experienced those higher states first through psychadelics, and now understand that Yoga offers an experience more lasting and powerful than that! I think first, to get to where we want to be, we need to know where we're going. And psychadelics, taken in a spirit of gratitude, can do that. They can only open the door to Yoga; we have to walk through it. Thanks so much for this article, it answered a lot of questions I had about the relationship between Yoga and these different states.

Consciousness is real and nonphysical.

 

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Independence? Yoga means UNION, there is no indepedence!

Submitted by Bubblefish on Wed, 01/28/2009 - 15:06.

This is one of my favorite arguements against entheogenic substances. The idea that one is cheating, or not learning a technique proper, etc etc by using them

The ideal, according to this particular stern branch of mysticism, is one should learn how to do it by themselves! But all the while, the guru is feeding them information, prayers, rituals, sutras, positions, ideas, etc etc etc.

What does it mean to do this kind of work independently? That one could sit down and snap their fingers and be transported to a realm where they begin discussing esoteric ideas with angels and jeweled serpents? Is that healthy?

 The very idea that we need each other and each thing, that the journey inward and upward IS dependent on our union with each other, with medicines, ideas, and sutras and positions is YOGA because YOGA means UNION.

It does not matter how you achieve UNION, what matters is what you are doing to prevent union, like speaking nonsense about independence and not needing ANYTHING or ANYONE.

Right On Bubblefish

Submitted by Naga Raja on Wed, 01/28/2009 - 15:58.

Thank you Bubblefish, I have never heard anyone put this so clearly. So many people say, "well, you should be able to get to the same place without drugs." However, they don't realize that all these other techniques require one to become equally reliant on a teacher or teaching. While these teachers and their techniques grant insight they also carry cultural taboos along with them which can work contrary to the progress you wish to make.

Any culture/system/institution looks to preserve itself against competing paths and will often defensively criticize different ways of reaching the same goal. Psychedelics free us from the constraints of culture and taboo. You don't have to go to a guru, although its wise to take advantage of some of the techniques they and shamans have developed.

I find the line between learning from traditions and tossing out taboos an important one to map. We can learn much from these traditions, but I feel too often we have a very naive "noble yogi" view. We can learn much from our teachers, but ultimately we must realize the limit of what they can teach us. We should stop looking to culture for ready-made answers. Plants can teach us in a much less comprimised way. They don't have the same type of agenda as human teachers. Terence McKenna used to say that one human seeking enlightenment from another is like one grain of sand seeking enlightenment from another.

Teachers can get us to try practices that we might not have tried otherwise. Sometimes this leads us in beneficial directions, sometimes it sets us off our path. Culture is not your friend.

Replying to Naga Raja and Bubblefish...

Submitted by Allowah on Wed, 01/28/2009 - 18:37.

Points well taken, but let's keep things open-ended...

It seems to me that to be independent means to be able to summon these kinds of experiences (such as Samadhi) at will, without

the need for external aids.

For example, Yogananda in "Autobiography of a Yogi" says that his guru, Sri Yukteswar, put him into a deep state of Samadhi (what he called "Cosmic Consciousness") by just tapping him lightly on the chest. After becoming more grounded in this experience, Yogananda said, he was able to put himself into that state at will.

So if this is true (and this is an "if" because we really don't know), this is a case in which a teacher/guru does more than just give practices to his student. This gets into energy transmission, much like a Shaktipat initiation can help raise one's kundalini (something I experienced). I feel it really is an open question as to whether one needs an enlightened (or more advanced anyway) teacher to assist one on the path. I don't have an answer personally, which is why I'm putting this out to all of you.

 

 

3~' Shanti

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The Sacred Tremor of Conciousness/Energy

Submitted by Zorro on Thu, 01/29/2009 - 00:23.

Thank you Allowah,

years ago I went to holotropic workshops, a technique, by the way, created by Stan Grof when the therapeutic use of LSD was criminally forbidden.

A question to ponder : Why our neuro-receptors are like locks for the entheogens?( right now I saw one of the last interviews of Leary before his death, saying that... Dr. Albert Hoffman formulated the question in different way"Nature full of tryptamines,etc.")

The conciousness, in a ritual "set/setting" with psychedelics carefully, devotionally prepared, awakes to wider, deeper, higher states...happens the same with breathing...

...why "or psychedelics....or other means"?, why not both, sacred plants integrated in a sacred vision where all ( sexuality, ordinary life, relationships) is sacred...

Each three months, for about 5 years, I did the holotropic breathwork ...more and more I felt free from emotional wounds, and more and more, spontaneous movements, gestures, sounds came from my body.

Time later I realized that the strange sounds were mantras, the gestures were mudras, the postures were yogic( qi gong, etc.)..I had never practice yoga in my life

Then I found the books by Bradford Keeney, where he explained how the origins of yoga, qi gong...were originated from the spontaneous Inteligence of Life Force, then, passing the centuries, became rigid forms of the original wild(not controlled by the ego) experiences...

The oldest mystical tradition on Earth, the Bushmen of Kalahari desert, don't practice yoga:They experience All the mystic states, samadhis, etc. trough ecstatic shaking(ask anybody who has experienced shaking with Keeney...)

http://www.futureprimitive.org/interviews/62

Then I found the articles by Stuart Sovatsky. 

Through his extensive practice(36 years) as tantric yogi, he maintains a close point of view to Keeney (see his article posted above)..

Isn't is curious that one of the earliest tantric texts is called the "Song of the Sacred Tremor"...?

In the other hand, I enjoy practising qi gong ( Zhang Zhuang, 8 Treasures), but the foundation of my practice is spontaneous qi gong, free movement, shaking medicine,call it what you want..

The thing is I realize more and more that in our seriously dissociated-from-Nature culture we are scared to death of wild ecstatic experience.

I let you with the words of three wise men, a herbalist, a cibernetician, a poet.. I hope more of us awake to this wisdom before we face the extinction of our species because we are so tamed in our bodyheartminds that now that the door of the jail outside is breaking apart, we don't dare to escape from the jail in our heartminds...

"People who ingest the wild, whether plants or landscapes, do something civilized people never do, they take inside themselves the wildness of the world; they eat the Wild Redeemer. In that moment something unique happens, some invisible thing enters inside them. And when that happens everything changes. They become aware that there are intelligences in this world far older than the human and that the human and the older intelligences of the world are intended to make contact" Stephen Harrod Buhner

"The SACRED (whatever that means) is surely related (somehow) to the WILD and the BEAUTIFUL (whatever that means)...To be conscious of the nature of beauty is the folly of reductionism." Gregory Bateson, systemic/cibernetic anthropologist

GARY SNYDER ON THE WILD "[The wild] means self-organizing. It means elegantly self-disciplined, self-regulating, self-maintained. That's what wilderness is. Nobody has to do the management plan for it. So I say to people, 'let's trust in the self-disciplined elegance of wild mind."

Deep Living Peace

Pasito a pasito,Todo quiere ser querido.

Right, doesn't have to be either/or...

Submitted by Allowah on Thu, 01/29/2009 - 16:39.

Thank you, Zorro,

Yes, agreed about the Holotropic breathwork. It would be interesting to look at that in relation to Kundalini...

You wrote,
"...why "or psychedelics....or other means"?, why not both, sacred plants integrated in a sacred vision where all ( sexuality, ordinary life, relationships) is sacred... "

I would say that the closest I've seen of that kind of integrated path, in the Yoga world at least, is with the Osho people, and that is essentially a Tantric path. They certainly were into the shaking and wild, ecstatic stuff (as I am -- it's just finding the people to do it with ; )

I will definitely look into Stuart Sovatsky and Bradford Keeney's work not that you bring that to our attention. It looks like Sovatsky worked with Gopi Krishna, who didn't think that psychedelics were comparable to Kundalini.

I love this quote in particular:

"People who ingest the wild, whether plants or landscapes, do something civilized people never do, they take inside themselves the wildness of the world; they eat the Wild Redeemer. In that moment something unique happens, some invisible thing enters inside them. And when that happens everything changes. They become aware that there are intelligences in this world far older than the human and that the human and the older intelligences of the world are intended to make contact" Stephen Harrod Buhner

I definitely experienced that with Ayahuasca, and it alone was worth the ticket of admission.

Namaste

 

3~' Shanti

Rebirthing Perfection

Submitted by Pippalayana on Sat, 04/18/2009 - 10:46.

Of course in all the yogic and Buddhist texts there are various levels of reincarnation theories.

How are not Entheogenic plants but teachers that have come to us for the unique purposes they serve in the cosmos

 .. how much traveling and learning they musy have gone through to be able to represent such potency.

Little gurus with little lessons ... as any other guru or teacher.

To say the Entheogens are only a temporary fix is really a relative argument.

Whatever lesson one learned from an Entheogenic synergy ... is always present for reference.

Actually it was the very psychedelic movement that brought life into all the Eastern Philosophies decades ago

As teenagers we would eat mushrooms ... then later, after the peak, we would be looking at books of classical Church and Temple archetectures ... Mandalas/Thankas ... Sacred places in Nature... Tao, Zen, Yoga ... all of these things became crystal clear ... for the moment only ... one may say.

But those moments are still of eternal qualitative nature ... knowing is always knowing ... as moments transition ... knowing evolves.

Almost everything that attracted us in such a high and profound state brought us to the very doorway of all that was eternal.

Without such impetus, very few of us would have been lifted out of American suburban mentality.

Yet on the other hand to say that an enlightened human, Yogi, Guru, Saint, Prophet, Shaman or Sage cannot also truely inspire ... well why argue for aurguments sake ..

What to speak of Sunrise/Sunsets, Mountain Forests Waterfalls, Animals and Plants of all kinds

 ... in high states of consciousness all is teaching ... all is learning.

God nothing but the referee.

No judgement when eating off the all inclusive "Tree of Life"

Eating off the "Tree of Knowledge" {judgement} the only oddity

Picture of <em>Karmendra</em>

Like a jet airplane

Submitted by Karmendra on Thu, 01/29/2009 - 14:35.

I was reminded of an anology when Allowah states

"Spiritual experiences that occur early on, I have always heard, are gifts of grace that are signs to the seeker that something is indeed happening, and serve to draw the aspirant more and more inward. Certainly this was the case with me, but over time these experiences became fewer and farther between, so that I was left wondering if perhaps I should try harder, or if they were just a passing stage in the journey"

The analogy I was reminded of is like a plane taking off. First your engines are beginning to roar the plane starts to roll, the shear power of the machine pushes you into your seat, you take off and the ground leaves you at an ever increasing pace, you realize the speed at which you are going since the ground is so near. But once you get up to cruising altitude the pressure decreases, the plane levels out and when you look out the window it appears that your hardly moving anywhere even though you are flying throught the air at hundreds of miles an hour. Then occasionally a cloud flies by, its only then that you realize that your actually getting somewhere at an amazing speed.

 I have been a sincere practitioner of Ashtaunga Yoga and meditation for nine years. I have not felt a need for psychadelics and on the occasions that i have smoked ganja i only felt the negative effects on my practice the next day. Sure the increased serotonin that the THC gave me was a great high, but later i felt drained an depleted.

 To me psychadelics can have benifit in controled medicinal holostic ways, sucha s therapy or very disciplined infrequent sessions, but unfortunatley the path to complete happiness is ardous and difficult. Its that most difficult and most important thing we can do in our life. Much more difficult and much more rewarding than popping a shroom.Brotherly,Karmendra

To Pippalayana & Karmendra...

Submitted by Allowah on Fri, 01/30/2009 - 22:24.

Beautifully expressed, Pippalayana -- the lessons of our beloved plant teachers are eternal and of eternity. Perhaps I understated how eye-opening these experiences have been for me, and how much they have permanently altered my perception and led me towards greater maturity and wisdom. To be completely transparent, I would not be here singing about all of this unless if there wasn't what to sing about!

Excellent analogy, Karmendra...very useful and true way of putting it, I will borrow that idea if you don't mind ; ) Agreed that psychedelics can have some use for some people at some times, and it is perhaps what you do when you "come down from the mountain" which is the real path/test -- how one lives moment to moment to moment.

Namaste /\

 

3~' Shanti

Yoga IS a Shamanic tradition

Submitted by Alokananda on Sun, 02/01/2009 - 14:52.

Loved the article! I think it is such a necessity to discuss this important questions.

As far as Shri Brahmananda Sarasvati..As a disciple of his I feel the book "The fundamentals of Yoga" will very much aid you in your research on this subject...

As far as this subject...There is no doubt that psychedelics and shamanic teachings played there role in the evolution of my consciousness which ultimately brought me to a sincere practice of yoga. The phrase "peak experience" is important to express.For a glimse of the other world, can be a powerful wiping of conditioning that would take years of meditation.

 

These peak experiences can and do happen in such grace states other than psychedelics ... and they can touch your very center, thus changing you for life.RELYING on it is the danger. And also CLINGING to Experience.

I was still practicing yoga and partaking in occasional But VERY sacred and intentional mushroom journeys... Essentially in a "tantric" -non-sexual journey with my partner/girlfriend at the time. Having purified and become more in contact with my soul, they were amazing experiences. I think an occasional intentional cermemony with "power plants" is important. But Rare at this point in my process. Mediation and Pranayama are much safer.

I will say this. There are traps to all powerful experiences and powers in general. But there is also a place for Power plants (casteneda)Acknowledgement that is what they are... and consume wisely!

 Its easy to become over identified to "the story" OH I HAD this amazing trip, experience etc. If anything use to help you see that you are not this body or this mind... But the witness. Otherwise it can be a powerful trap feeding the spiritual ego... its "mystical" experiences that will ulitimately distract you from "the goal."

To Quote a sutra from the vedas in english " The essence of plants are the stars, the essence of man is plant"

Wisdom is needed to perfect technique.Yoga in itself originates in a shamanic tradition. It is a "shamanic" esoteric science.

Breathe  : )

Om shanti

-Alokananda

 

 

"When the power of LOVE overwhelms the love of power, the world will know peace" - J.H

Reply to Alokananda...

Submitted by Allowah on Mon, 02/02/2009 - 15:16.

Thank you, Alokananda,

 

I will check out the "Fundamentals of Yoga" book, thanks for that.

You made some very good points, which I can confirm from my own experience. Perhaps the most essential being, as Yogi Berra put it so well, "If you don't know where you're going, you might not get there." For many of us yogis in the West, and indeed for all those on an eastern path, psychedelics can definitely provide a glimpse of where you are going, thus assuring the aspirant that they are not wasting their time.

But psychedelics can do more, such as, as you mentioned, to bust through a lot of old conditioning and patterning, seemingly much more quickly than many years of spiritual practice. The work, of course, is then to take what is learned from our plant teachers to heart, and to make real changes in our thought and behavior patterns.

With Ayahuasca, it felt as if I was being asked whether I wanted this incredible power, and that terrified me. I don't know if I am expressing that accurately even, but my point is just to connect this to the discussion of "siddhis." I can see how certain individuals on Ayahuasca be attracted to acquiring that power.

 

3~' Shanti

Yoga IS a Shamanic tradition

Submitted by Alokananda on Sun, 02/01/2009 - 14:52.

Loved the article! I think it is such a necessity to discuss this important questions.

As far as Shri Brahmananda Sarasvati..As a disciple of his I feel the book "The fundamentals of Yoga" will very much aid you in your research on this subject...

As far as this subject...There is no doubt that psychedelics and shamanic teachings played there role in the evolution of my consciousness which ultimately brought me to a sincere practice of yoga. The phrase "peak experience" is important to express.For a glimse of the other world, can be a powerful wiping of conditioning that would take years of meditation.

 

These peak experiences can and do happen in such grace states other than psychedelics ... and they can touch your very center, thus changing you for life.RELYING on it is the danger. And also CLINGING to Experience.

I was still practicing yoga and partaking in occasional But VERY sacred and intentional mushroom journeys... Essentially in a "tantric" -non-sexual journey with my partner/girlfriend at the time. Having purified and become more in contact with my soul, they were amazing experiences. I think an occasional intentional cermemony with "power plants" is important. But Rare at this point in my process. Mediation and Pranayama are much safer.

I will say this. There are traps to all powerful experiences and powers in general. But there is also a place for Power plants (casteneda)Acknowledgement that is what they are... and consume wisely!

 Its easy to become over identified to "the story" OH I HAD this amazing trip, experience etc. If anything use to help you see that you are not this body or this mind... But the witness. Otherwise it can be a powerful trap feeding the spiritual ego... its "mystical" experiences that will ulitimately distract you from "the goal."

To Quote a sutra from the vedas in english " The essence of plants are the stars, the essence of man is plant"

Wisdom is needed to perfect technique.Yoga in itself originates in a shamanic tradition. It is a "shamanic" esoteric science.

Breathe  : )

Om shanti

-Alokananda

 

 

"When the power of LOVE overwhelms the love of power, the world will know peace" - J.H

Picture of <em>Zorro</em>

"A powerful ritual is trigger enough for parting the veils"

Submitted by Zorro on Sun, 02/01/2009 - 15:24.

...and after the body is deeply felt (spontaneous movement, sound-making...) :

http://www.tripzine.com/listing.php?smlid=209

 

"Wanderer, there is no road,

the road is made by walking". Antonio Machado

Pasito a pasito,Todo quiere ser querido.

On Yoga and Psychedelics

Submitted by drew hempel on Sun, 02/01/2009 - 16:00.

It's an interesting article and motivated me to register here. I had posted extensively at Daniel Pinchbeck's old website http://breakingopenthehead.com where he and I briefly exchanged comments about this "yoga and psychedelics" issue.

 

First of all you write about yoga from books and your books are actually very limited. For example the teacher of Ram Dass -- if you read his biography -- it's VERY CLEAR that drugs are nothing to him. What I have emphasized over and over to Daniel is that true yoga energy is ELECTROMAGNETIC whereas psychedelics are mainly electrochemical. I, myself, studied with a qigong master who currently heals people of late-term cancer and he's worked with the Mayo Clinic -- Chunyi Lin -- http://springforestqigong.com. I can assure you that when he just looks at you while sending energy into you it's just like a laser that creates this blissful burning. He does long distance phone healing all the time and he sat in full-lotus in a cave for a month straight -- with no sleep, no food and no water intake. Again this is electromagnetic energy and it's almost impossible for a Westerner to even IMAGINE what it's like.

 

Secondly to create this healing and spirit travel energy relies on storing up and transforming the sex energy -- precisely that which is used most freely in the West. So that's exactly why finding a true teacher -- an energy master -- is so rare in the West (instead people read a few books and then rely on teachers who don't have real abilities). As far as tantra goes -- the best book I recommend for yoga is "TAOIST YOGA: ALCHEMY AND IMMORTALITY" by Charles Luk. That book states that even NO SALT must be eaten, along with no "lugubrious" plants like garlic, onions and leeks -- which create sex fluid. The whole point, again, is to CONVERT sex fluid into electromagnetic energy -- through the pineal gland. So in tantra you take in the electrochemical energy directly (instead of sex fluid or food which turns into sex fluid like meat) -- and then this sex electrochemical energy (called N/UM by the original tantra healers, the Bushmen) -- turns into electromagnetic energy. Currently I eat a "normal" diet which means meat and sugar and salt -- but I also sit in full-lotus while doing energy healing (the electromagnetic energy as spirit travel shoots out my pineal gland with other people's electrochemical emotional blockages  sucked in to my lower body, through the full-lotus pressure on my legs). Sometimes I rely on alcohol to counteract the anerobic bacteria from the meat and sugar -- and I have to eat a lot of fruit to have potassium to counteract the salt. Potassium is really the secret to the electromagnetic energy build-up, as CIA-funded psychedelic paranormal research Dr. Andrija Puharich details in his book "BEYOND TELEPATHY." But in terms of classical tantra I literally have to eat at least a bulb of garlic a day to counteract the sugar and meat anerobic bacteria.

 

Full-lotus yoga, electrochemically, relies on ionizing the serotonin in the stomach through ultrasound harmonics (the silence in the brain). Normally serotonin can not bypass the blood-brain barrier but if it's ionized then it does so through the parasympathetic vagus nerve -- along with ANEROBIC BACTERIA. That's why the electrochemical intake is so sensitive and why "purification" is necessary. So diet is extremely sensitive and it's a constant struggle. I, myself, went 8 days on just half a glass of water, yet was never hungry, nor thirsty. During those 8 days of "bigu" as it's called in qigong, I created stronger and stronger electromagnetic fields. I used that energy to do some healing but I also had some powerful electromagnetic spirit "accidents" which freaked people out -- especially considering that you're not supposed to go without food and water for 8 days. haha.

 

The real yoga energy is not only rare but it's dangerous unless under the guidance of a true energy master -- which is why the typical energy master just has one real student. For example I saw Chunyi Lin's student, Jim Nance, get trained into an energy master and now he also can do long distance healing. To compare the psychedelics with the yoga training I took salvia while in full-lotus.

 

My research already indicated that psychedelics work by over-riding the inhibitory role of the thalamus so that the cerebellum directly downloads otherwise subconsious images to the cerebral cortex. Because of my qigong full-lotus training I can already "flex" my pineal gland and it's permanently magnetized with bliss. So I had to keep taking stronger and stronger salvia while I sat in full-lotus -- and what happened is that I would have internal climaxes. I would have about 6 internal climaxes from a good hit of 17x salvia -- or from chewing good leaves. The secret of yoga is for the male to have no ejaculation since male ejaculation activates the sympathetic stress nervous system -- and instead to have internal climaxes which transform testosterone into serotonin and oxytocin and then the melatonin and DMT -- but again real yoga is converting the electrochemicals into ELECTROMAGNETIC energy. So finally I just kept blacking out from taking really deep and many hits of salvia -- hitting Level 6.

 

After several times of waking up while still in full-lotus, I then had a vision where I saw rainbows around my hands -- even though I was in a pitch dark room, with my eyes closed, and a hat covering my eyes. So it was my pineal gland seeing the rainbows. That night I dreamt of the artwork from my breakfast room when I was a kid -- it was the same psychedelic rainbows. I emailed my mom and she said it was MOLA artwork so I googled it and it's from the KUNA people of Panama who smoke pot religously. Then I learned that saliva activates the cannabinoid receptors just like pot. So yes the psychedelic experience was fascinating -- and the salvia even tried to pull my spirit out of my body. In fact I have a friend who has done every type of drug but is scared of salvia because his spirit was pulled into the floor. He just took that one hit and never took another. For me, again I was in full-lotus and the ELECTROMAGENTIC force of my pineal gland was more powerful than the electrochemical force of the psychedelic -- so I literally laughed at the salvia as my spirit was half-way out of my body. In other words if and when there is spirit travel with drugs it's limited by the lack of electromagnetic energy. I've done tons of research all after my masters thesis on this subject -- and I've corresponded with many professors and various other researchers online -- here's my blogbook http://mothershiplanding.blogspot.com plus I have several articles freely available online and my masters thesis linked at http://nonduality.com/hempel.htm

Power and Attachment

Submitted by Pippalayana on Tue, 02/03/2009 - 12:48.

A few more comments here ...

To distinguish between "drugs" and "Entheogens" will have to be thought upon at some point.

Which leads one to an original point in the article.

To prepare a true "soma" or "rasayana" ... there is a certain level of consciousness required to grow, harvest, prepare, ingest, ... mood/guidance etc ... that determine the overall emtheogenic experience.

One can say money is the root of all evil. Yet it is really only how some abuse it that makes it distingquishable from harmony.

Natural Entheogenic substances/experiences "turn into drugs" only when one or more of the above activitie are done out of context.

 Drugs usually refer to extractions of wholistic substances ... this is usually where the "maya" begins.

On the other hand ... some adanced forms of Yogas practise {kundalini} can also be "powerful enough" that many of the teachers do not teach it without sufficient preparation.

Even basic Asana's/breathing excersises can be treacherous if not done properly... "extracting" parts without holistic undrstanding.

 So "saftey" and "power" are the things of relativite consciousness only

 Every experience can have this duality ... even eating foods that are too acidic {powerful} can rot ones teeth.

Not everyone likes acidic foods ... Yoga ... Entheogens ...

The Maya is "always" due to ones overall consciousness in relationship to association with each/any/all things.

Drugs, Yoga and Purification

Submitted by drew hempel on Tue, 02/03/2009 - 23:31.

Actually I just read an excellent new book on "psychedelics" -- specifically ayahuasca, the top psychedelic -- and as this blog of the author notes -- ayahuasca is now being sold in COKE BOTTLES IN THE STREET OF IQUITOS. http://www.roamingthemind.com/wordpress/?p=180#more-180

In fact the book is most about how the authors seeking the true shamanic training are forced into is a STRICT DIET of no salt, no sugar and no meat and most importantly no sex (including any physical contact with the nether region). And so... do the authors met this criterion? Not in my opinon, but at least they'd looked beyond the whole eso-tourism craze (for all its jet-setter global warming hard cash currency). haha.

Thank you, Drew...

Submitted by Allowah on Wed, 02/04/2009 - 23:39.

Thanks for making me/us aware of all this, Drew.

I'll be checking it all out, and get back to you

once I do.

 

3~' Shanti

Sweet Allowah! I just

Submitted by drew hempel on Thu, 02/05/2009 - 15:25.

Sweet Allowah! I just watched the SHAMANS OF THE AMAZON vid http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8280164692633237247 I even confronted Al Gore about his family oil money destroying the indigenous tribes in Ecuador and Colombia -- nice to see this vid is from the activist perspective.

the Siddhi is not what the substance gives...

Submitted by vivifidal on Fri, 02/06/2009 - 16:45.

the substances prevent the ego from intervening in the acquisition of siddhi and nothing more, if the Self is not evolved to receive the Siddhi, the result is nothing or mental illness.

Perhaps most esoteric

Submitted by Hotoil Fister on Sat, 02/07/2009 - 23:11.

Perhaps most esoteric religions started with the gestation of mind-expanding drugs. Nonetheless all experiences of ultimate reality come from a drug, located in the pineal gland: DMT. Meditation is away to induce the flooding of DMT while we are awake. A few individuals have a greater compasity to produce more. I'm not saying it's pure neuroscience, and silly hallucinations - not at all, but it is DMT that propels the consciousness into the realms at large. So all in all I don't see why we should have an aversion to ingesting mind expanding drugs in order to level the playing field. Bob over there may have a full blown experience of oness within the first year while Sue setting next to him may have trickles for the first 8 years before acquiring the experience Bob had in his very short span. It's all DMT related -genetics. But all in all it's not about the experience by it's self it's what you absorb while hopefully becoming as little attached to the experience as possible. Just the facts.

My 5 hour full-lotus DMT trip just now.

Submitted by drew hempel on Tue, 02/10/2009 - 22:33.

Read about the RAINBOW OF REALITY at my blog http://mothershiplanding.blogspot.com

All of the comments on this

Submitted by Droppsyence on Thu, 02/12/2009 - 16:00.

All of the comments on this article are very insightful, although I do feel that many seekers out there are looking to jusitfy their own paths by finding resonance with some form of documented scripture or teaching. Shamanism, Yoga, Psychedelic experimentation, Religion, Meditation..etc..etc. All of these 'forms' which we have access to in this age which can offer tools and agents for the catylysing of being, but when it comes down the real goods, the only knowledge one requires AFTER studying and reading various accounts of the spirtual life, is simply being quiet and listening to one's heart. I have been practicing yoga in Toronto, Canada for 3 years. I have enjoyed and stuidied psychedleic experiences for many years. There was a point in time where I felt that the two paths could not be mutually supportive of one another, but however at this point in my life I cannot deny the profound truth and beauty which both the practice of Yoga and consul of plant teachers have offered me. The two paths support eachother, to a certain extent, and that extent is measured and realized differently by each participator. I believe that receiving wisdom or insight from a psychedelic substance requires more than just the act of ingesting the substance, and more to do with the collection of merit and gardening of ethics which the seeker implies. Psychedelics are quickening agents, and their potency and affect is indicative of a very profound, powerful tool. However it does'nt take much observation of the self to see what becomes of the body and mind after such substances are used improperly, without preperation, or in excess. Can you say the same for a Yogic practice? Possibly. More so with Asana than any of the other ashtangas however. I believe that the key to finding harmony with the psychedelic path and the yogic path is to listen to your heart! What is working for you? What is'nt? Ask these honest questions to yourself free of the implications of a scholarly analysis or sutric reading, but do not discount such wisdom entirely, merely keep it as a reference point. Quoting ancient scriptures or texts which ambigiously point to various practices which may or may not inlcude many of the entheogens or chemicals which modern seekers use to gain insight is not enough. Dropping references to such books and holding them to be truth probably won't get you very far. What will get you far is being a careful, sensitive, loving, kind being who has an open heart and open mind. Intention is everything, and when you surrender yourself to the unmanifested source with the intention of serving all beings, things start happening. Some of my most memorable and path-pushing experiences were that of Asana practice and psilocybin. Those highly powerful moments must be cherished and respected, but I truly believe, not abused or indulged in too often. The physical ailments which one can develop after using too many psychedlelics are pretty obvious. The easy answer is this: Love all beings, including yourself, listen to your inner voice and count your blessings..moment..to..moment. What you do with your time in this realm all comes down to how well you are listening to life, and asking life what it intends for you. Surrending is everything. HOW you surrender, is the challenge. Namaste.

on pranayama

Submitted by mahajusa on Sun, 02/15/2009 - 04:51.

Thanks for the very insightful article on a very interesting subject. However, I noticed one minor error, which in fact is very common nowdays. 

As Vivekananda puts it:"Pranayama is not, as many think, something about the breath; breath, indeed has very little to do with it, if anything. Breathing is only one of the many exercises through which we get to the real Pranayama. Pranayama means the control of the Prana". Lectures by Vivekananda (1899). 

 

And back to the subject itself, I've noticed that while doing Ashtanga the body becomes more "subtle" and therefore much more sensitive to the digestion of different psychointegrators or entheogens or whatever one may call them... Excessively used they become a hindrance on the path of meditation, as the nervous system&the psyche is in a disequilibrium. 

 

Back in the days, I was able to digest so-and-so-many drugs without much change in the nervous system, or at least I wouldn't notice them. I was not doing ashtanga or any meditation and my chakras were out of sync - so many bad things happened like depression and whole load of bad trips.. 

 

Ashtanga is a MUCH more secure path and I would recommend it over drugs to all beings. However, I do think they can be combined, as to make a synthesis of Yoga&Shamanism; especially some siddhis might prove "useful" when travelling the Lower Worlds. 

I'm really looking forward to an article about Shamanism&Yoga... peace out

Icaros and Alison Des

Submitted by drew hempel on Mon, 02/16/2009 - 20:41.

Icaros and Alison Des Forges

My article on shamanism and yoga by drew hempel, MA (2001)

Last night I visited my local used bookstore and went on a book-hunt for several hours. The workers know me so well that I just tossed my backpack over the counter without using their card system for checking the bag. I reminded myself through reading that chocolate activates the same receptors as THC, the cannibinoid. I noted the Peppermint Aromatherapy Pills for future investigation. I perused a new biography of Werner von Braun (the SS general who had entered my life indirectly when I was censored from my journalist job for having exposed a professor promoting von Braun). The same professor had co-organized a JFK conference with Moonie-published conspiracist professor James Fetzer. Professor emeritus Peter Dale Scott responded to my email about this strangeness (since he had disowned Fetzer): "If I were you, I'd be careful."  I "retired" after many years of successful high profile progressive activism to a part-timer clerical job at Clean Water Action, the main get-out-the-vote office for Paul Wellstone, later to be "Wellstoned."

 

My book-hunting led me to dream research -- how beyond lucid dreaming is the WITNESS state -- from deep sleep awareness. A peaceful consciousness that is not your ego and just is empty awareness. This is the goal of NO DREAMING detailed in "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality." It's the secret to create the rainbow of reality -- how our bodies and external matter-energy --- are sucked into a spacetime vortex which is a rainbow created by consciousness.

 

As I left the bookstore I told the bookstore worker about my DMT trip. He wanted to know but he also wanted my energy. He had tried smoking DMT over the Solstice but just passed out after a flash of light. And so I went into full-lotus and shot energy into him as I described the DMT trip. My vagus nerve on the right side of my neck pulsated and the pineal gland shot electromagnetic energy into him and he asked me questions and we conversed about drugs and energy. He said that his most intense LSD and ecstasy trip had also felt like a hundred thousand orgasms and he thought he had died and he tried to call 911 emergency but the phone kept going in and out of reality and it was the same day that the bridge collapsed in Minneapolis. But I bought the books and he wanted my left-over DMT and he kept asking me more questions and he went to the website and finally I went behind the counter myself to get my backpack since he wouldn't give it to me. He wanted my energy more and so he would madly bounce his legs and then ask me about females and he would then suck off my energy.

 

So I said I just go into full-lotus and the energy flows freely. I said it's totally impersonal. He said he can't go into full-lotus -- with the feet up on the thighs. I said well first you practice tai chi and then you do the small universe which is the 12 notes of the music scale around the outside of your body. He said "I can't even sit with my legs crossed." I said with the small universe or microcosmic orbit you just sit in a chair.

 

So than I said, "you know how you bounce your legs all the time?" He said defensively "It's because I'm nervous." I said "I call it the bouncing leg epidemic. If you go down to central library half the guys are bouncing their legs all the time. You can pretend you have no secret reason for bouncing your legs but that's not true." Then I went into full-lotus again and I said "see this is the OPPOSITE of you bouncing your legs. I then showed him my neck and the vagus nerve pulsating. I said this is the parasympathetic nervous system and it's based on the female internal climax. I said sometimes you'll see this on females with their neck pulsating -- like the vein.

 

Just now as I write (in long-hand in my room in full-lotus) I remember the documentary on South African freedom music and the director commentary points out the female's neck pulsating as she shoots energy into her friend.

 

And my bookstore friend said "Thanks man" and I went home and turned on the Primasounds c.d. called Gateways. I had got it a couple days ago but had yet to use it in full-lotus meditation. The philosophy of primasounds is the complementary opposite of my own -- base on the ratio 7/4 to create quantum chaos alchemy. I could really feel my pineal gland opening up and brain blockages clearing out as I listened or the sound listened to me. I stayed in full-lotus till 3 a.m. exorcising the energy blockages.

 

When I woke I continued with Jeff Well's totally brilliant book Rigorous Intuition. He goes into the deepest darkest occult evil but also he covers some paranormal shamanic healing. I realized that Jeff Wells is really a continuation of John Judge. I had questioned John Judge when he spoke to a cramped basement audience post-911 at the local Commie bookstore. At any rate if I hadn't done DMT right before I read Wells I would not have been able to take him as seriously. I refer to the "buzzing sound" he documents as the common factor to occult UFO mind control spirit anomalies. He talks about how the Crowley-inspired scientologist CIA remote viewers rely on hemi-sync -- the sound of the brainwaves created by beats from slightly skewed frequencies going into each ear.

 

Then I remembered something from my book hunt -- something I had been pondering. It's stated that hypnosis is actually a left-brain dominant over-drive. So whether I repeat I-I-I over and over or some other word-based trigger -- it relies on the same ELF resonance of the brainwaves -- 8 to 12 beats a second -- for the cerebral cortex of intentional thought processing. This is why the deep voice is so soothing -- the frequency of the drum head IS the brainwave of the dream state. He's so dreamy.

 

But there's also the ultrasound frequency which is heard as the highest possible pitch but then ionizes the electrochemicals. This is the crucial difference between remote viewing aka the astral tube and astral projection as the OBE. Joe McMoneagle makes the distinction and I've come across it elsewhere and I've achieved the distinction as well. When the DMT "gun shot" beyond death buzzing kicks in which throws your spirit into the rainbow of reality it is a lower astral realm because it's driven by electrochemical or amplitude energy -- not electromagnetic or ionized energy.

 

In taoist yoga the first or electrochemical energy is jing and the second or electromagnetic is chi. There's also the shen or spirit-light. It reminds me of when qigong master Chunyi Lin says that ghosts are dangerous and you have to be careful when exorcising them. Most modern humans have a strong enough shen or spirit-light -- to not be aware or threatened by ghosts. But if you build up your electrochemical energy through drugs or meditation then you can enter into the realm of ghosts -- the lower astral realm of the dead and earth spirits. In order to not be killed you have to exorcise those spirits which will now attack you because they know that you know they are possessing and feeding off the living -- creating evil and disease.

 

If an unaware living person begins to have their spirits exorcised they may freak out if it's done with the person in a weak state or a state that makes them feel cornered. Sickness is EXTRA energy in the body as disharmonized electrochemical energy. Healing is the natural orgasmic bliss of harmonized light energy. When my electromagnetic energy was strong from serious qigong training I exorcised an evil spirit from one female and thereby healed her or a serious injury. She at first (or her spirit) attacked me but then she still wanted the healing and later asked me for more. By then I had stopped my qigong training on that intense post-death level (a diet of no salt, no sugar and intensive meditation with no ejaculation). Another older female asked me to heal her -- and again without any physical contact -- I pulled her spirit right out of her body. She bawled straight for at least 15 minutes but she knew I had good intentions.

 

The spirit being sucked out of the body is also what happens when people smoke salvia which is why people usually don't do saliva twice. When the salvia tried to pull my spirit out of my body I was in full-lotus and the electromagnetic power of the pineal gland stopped the salvia from pulling my spirit out. My spirit was half out of my body and I laughed at the salvia. Even though I had no hallucinatoins while doing salvia or DMT (except very deep psychological analysis) in both cases I saw the rainbow of reality. For salvia it was only after I smoked so much that I blacked out several times -- all while in full-lotus. The rainbow was around my hands and seen with my pineal gland (in a dark room, with a hat over my eyes and my eyes closed). Again I was in full-lotus and I had several internal climaxes from the salvia.

 

I was reading about the Magus of Java training called the "thunder bolt" -- that you focus your mind of the energy center of the electrochemical energy (just below and behind the navel). You keep storing up and ionizing the sex energy until it's a hard ball (what might have been called ectoplasm in the days of Charles Richet). This is the spirit-light transforming the electrochemical energy into electromagnetic energy -- to create the alchemical pill. Then finally you lower that qi ball down to the based of the sacrum -- the perineum -- and an explosion happens as the yang (electromagnetic) mets the yin (electrochemical). It's said that death sometimes occurs at this point in the training.

 

This is just like sitting in full-lotus while on DMT -- the sacrum splits open with this orgasmic electromagnetic energy and shoots up to the pineal gland as the "gunshots" and "buzzing" of the OZ EFFECT take over. The difference in qigong is that there's no limit to the electromagnetic ionization -- if you continue in full-lotus training. When people do not consciously sublimate their sexual energy for spirit travel then that sexual energy is fed off by the lower spirits -- the lower emotions of greed-lust, fear, anger, sadness and worry. This is what Gurdjieff called the Number 1 and Number 2 person and it's what I call the "bouncing leg epidemic" -- guys trying to maximize their ejaculations by sucking off anyone with extra sex energy. These lower spirits mean that the electromagnetic spirit-light is subconsciously stuck in the lower chakra.

 

And this subconscious awareness leads to civilization as mass ritual sacrifice. It's the difference between modern human-chimps and Bushmen-bonobos. This lower spirit control leads to genocide in Africa as organized by occult CIA psyops who assassinate human rights workers like what happened to Alison Des Forges. But as Jeff Wells notes the healing song of the Icaros from the DMT using shamans is sung through the humans, not by the humans. The consciousness that creates the rainbow of reality is the source of sound heard as the OHM of the heart. When the body-mind is ionized into the rainbow of reality then the OHM of the heart-consciousness recreates the universe.

People having a very hard time handling Yoga after psychedelics

Submitted by blueangie on Tue, 05/12/2009 - 06:46.

You read on the Magus of Java training? why the name is thunder bolt?

I think that the electrochemical energy could be out even on Sharepoint Java training.

 

Anyway I know a girl which took a lot of Psychedelics in her past, and she really anti-Yoga, even though she's doing a Shaolin Kong-Fu - she can't handle the spiritual parts (which is alike to Yoga), so she just doing the fighting parts. It is very hard for her to handle this stuff after all the "Lucy" 's effects and stuff....

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Psychedelics in Light of the Yoga Sutras---A Bhaktas' Vision

Submitted by Sudarshana Chakra on Thu, 02/26/2009 - 05:57.

This discussion is very interesting....

 It seems to me that regardless of Tantric training, all people have various capacity for substance assimilation. On a physical, mental and spiritual level, various Herbs, foods and sexual potency, hold the power to wake or break!

The true yogic perception of Shakti is far beyond Good/Bad Duality---Yet a DEEP RESPECT for the POWER and DANGER of the Feminine energy is needed to successfully work with the fire! The Mayic potency of Goddess can be either YOGAMAYA or MAHAMAYA...The first as a true form of the Eternal Shakti..and the latter, the outer potency reflected as the Mundane world.

Prasad (Devtional offerings) are the alchemical transformation from our material consumptions to spiritual Blessings...All Substances we imbibe need that dedication -(Powerful plant spirits need More!)  

 in Sankirtan Yoga (Congregational Chanting) I have Experienced a deep connection to the path Raganuga Bhakti. The association of Saints and hearing narrations of the Transcendent world has given me a glimpse of the "Sahaja Samhadhi" which has infinitely Intoxicating Pleasure!

 The Nirvakalpa Samhadhi where one is alone in deep internal trance is for Satya Yuga! This is the age of Quarrel and we are needing stronger medicines with less qualifications! The worlds' field needs Sankirtan Parades of Divine Love to Saturate the Astral with cosmic frequencies of Pure intentions!

In the Eyes of the Yogis, The terrorism that is most rampant in the society goes on in the Akashic plane!

Mantra Yantra Tantra done with selfless service is the Real Pure Magic which will Balance all the BlackMagic done by the Ruling Amphibious Elite!

 Mantra is Sound vibration with a sacred geometrical structure & a power that few dare to really tap into...

This path can Be hard on the Ego! (Pure Bhakti is not for the proud!)

The freedom we crave in jyana yoga in our quest for knowledge is still pretending we have control -just like with Siddhas

In Bhakti, we must exchange this for a bond of Devotion, Unconditional Love and Service.. 

I have found this to be accessed in the heart of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhus' Gaudia Vaishnava Yoga...

   Here is my collection of Kirtans Bhajans and Some Hip-Hop...

Haribol M.A.D

http://purekatha.ning.com/profile/Ananda108

 

power power POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Submitted by zezt on Mon, 03/02/2009 - 12:23.

"Swami Satchidananda's point is that the siddhis acquired through unnatural, non-organic means such as herbs is only temporary, and thus should not be taken seriously by the yoga aspirant. This is a point that would be good to be taken to heart by many of those who dabble in psychedelics, for it is clear that for most such persons, both experiences and psychic powers fade once the effects of the drug wear off." fade?? what does he mean 'fade'? That one is not going around like some self-suprior-arsed yogi thinking they are oh-so-better-than anyone below them, because they believe in incarnations, karma, the freakin caste system. THAT they believe is 'superior' Well I got news for mr yogi. It is NOT supeior, it is patriarchal, and dualist. It is 'One' vs the 'many' A deeper wisdom and understanding (notice i dont say 'higher..?!) is the insight you get from psychedelic experience with Sacred Medicine (as indigenous peoples often call it) that doesn't 'fade' but is alearning fractal experience........IS a sense of utter connection with the flow of life. Of not CONTROLLING emotions for POWER (siddhis), but in the healing value of expressing emotions so you are WITH others and animals, not imgaining you are some superman wid yor 'POWERS'

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i like where you are going with this

Submitted by somenobody on Tue, 03/03/2009 - 18:15.

nice catch. those guys are always pulling the wool over our eyes bc we as a culture do not intrinsically believe we can be our own spiritual authority. this is a new and refreshing perspective. 

 

sanity is relative, light heartedness is obvious.

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us westerners

Submitted by somenobody on Tue, 03/03/2009 - 13:46.

i REALLY have been enjoying this discussion. thank you everyone for your opinions and experiences. this is a topic i hold very dear to my heart and is too little addressed in my tiny world. i would like to make a small point about the introduction of psychedelics and yoga to the west... well, it happened at the same time! we do not live in a society where the traditional guru/disciple relationship can work for most of our western psyches. some of us have found enough humility to worship another human as infallible, but myself personally, i like to pretend i am caught in a giant destinious trap in which i exersize my cute and tiny free will. i have found that the guru kind of commitment just isn't a part of my path, and when i tried it, it was actually detrimental to my liberation. becoming more child-like and dependent on others was the exact opposite of what i needed. now i was not a conscious child, i was a dreamer and an escapist. i was not raised in an aware loving environment. really, i should have grown up to be the sorriest sack of trailer trash around. BUT, i began taking lsd at 15. now it was recreationally at first, which of course led to a minor schizotypal diagnosis and some sensitivity and pain in my spinal cord, however... the experiences i had completely awakened the seeker within. lsd brought me to yoga, brought me to my path and altered my being forever. yes, i got some siddhis and yes i have fallen from grace numerous times. yes i have suffered but it was for the truth so what of it? sure i've seen hell but it made me find the qualities i needed in myself to elevate my soul. no, the peaks don't last, but new and subtle neural pathways do stay.  and finally, no, the real work isn't done in the moments of putting something in your mouth but afterwards, when one chooses how to deal with what they have experienced. this is really the only way i could have ever awakened. my thick western skull required a dose to crack it open. no guru or blissed out yoga teacher driving an suv was going to get through to me. no one way is going to work for everybody, the path of psychedelics is not for everyone. it is wrought with danger more than any other. i don't judge another because they find it doesn't work for them, so why on earth would anyone judge me or anyone else for it? i was not a loving compassionate person before i tripped out, and now i am, with other disciplines like hatha and meditation and prayer. i am a better person for the planet and the people around me now. i can intuit so much about situations and actually help guide others. i do not have great goals like reaching nirvana or other hindu/buddhist terms. i don't feel the need to reach the highest state that has been given a name by others bc to me the whole idea that spiritual experiences can be categorized and put into levels from highest to lowest and what somebody thought yesterday is what my goal is today is retarded and goes against everything my Self tells me. i am interested soley in bringing the light down, in whatever chaotic daemon inspired balls to the wall way i can. i have no guru somewhere telling me where i am on the evolutionary scale and thats great bc i have the ability to tell for myself how my shadows are doing. i feel the fact that psychedelics came with the east meets west paradigm is significant and not to be dismissed or judged out of fear or a sense of self-righteousness or holier-than-thou i'm mr.pure b.s. i'd rather be filled with animal dung than condemn another while i feel so very pure. our collective higher selves know what we are doing, and inventing lsd goes with our cute little ringo star chanting hare krishna era. yes it was abused and yes i blame that for the fall of the hippies, but that doesn't mean we should ignore the potential and possibilities of reapproaching it as a medicine and using it ceremoniously. now, i don't take it anymore. it's true, it ate up my nerves. the crap that was available in my teenage years has alot to do with that. i use mushrooms occasionally or ayahuasca. i will never not because i have found that it deepens my ability to be an intuitive healer and help those around me. it makes me more appreciative of life and yes small things like cups of tea. it heightens the awareness of my approaching death and inspires me to live more fully present and involved with the world around me. sitting for hours in meditation hurts my back. reducing my aura to blend with groups chanting hurts my soul. letting somebody else be in charge stirs up childhood trauma. i like the way i relate with the divine and there are no so called spiritual authorities on the planet who will ever sway me from what i have experienced and perceived as true in my own life. even though that salvia divinorum guide can be a real cantankerous tango, it's the way i have evolved and it is as much a part of me as the meat on my bones.

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psychedelics as bookmarks

Submitted by burnur on Wed, 03/04/2009 - 19:26.

I figure psychedelics are a consciousness orientation program. Entering a state spontaneously, by taking an outside chemical into the body -- a state that you didnt know of before -- introduces the system to a future. It wouldnt be right that the LSD experience should simply remain. Of course they ought to be temporary! If you dont have to actually become samadhi yourself, if the psychedelic simply throws a switch that never switches back, then the psychedelic state is a parasite, a truly dangerous item worth all the hype. But if used as orientation devices, psychedelics are simple tools in the growth of awareness. They are like placeholders for possible futures. After boundary-shattering ego-dismantling psychedelic experiences, artists in their 20s are left with the urge to create axiomatic explanations of what has changed about their perspectives. Now we've tripped, now we cant un-know what we know -- but we dont yet know what it is that we know.

So moderation, folks.

"eclipse the golden mirror and that reflection is set free"

Slaughtering Sacred Cows, Eating Holy Cowshit...

Submitted by Allowah on Sun, 03/08/2009 - 00:42.

Thanks everyone, i don't feel so alone anymore!

It's good to know that there are others "out there" with psychedelics on the brain ;)

 

Good to know, too, that we can agree to take down some of the sacred cows of the reigning spiritual paradigm, which seems to be on its way out in any case.

 

It occurs to me that as psychedelics show us how we construct our realities moment-to-moment, it is an aid in deconstructing what we currently agree is not working for us, so that we can co-create a reality that feels more like heaven on earth.

 

I agree with you, zezt, and looking at what I wrote (which you quoted) now, I feel the same way. And with Burnur's point that the psychedelic experience (and siddhis) will necessarily fade, but the immediate lessons that were bestowed by the "Spirit Medicine" will be taken to heart and help to grow one's awareness. And maybe part of the fun of this whole life is the hide-and-seek process of the journey?

 

I still have a question, though, which is whether the siddhis are an indispensable part of the whole process of evolution, in which case , okay, we don't want to seek them so that we can demonstrate how cool or powerful or high and mighty we are, but perhaps we can look at it as fulfilling our divine/human potential? And if/when one soul gets to the point where they can levitate or whatever, that inspires someone else to meditate, or eat a mushroom from out of a cow patty, or whatever. Until one day we find we're all back in the Garden together, having a bigger bang than we ever had...

 

Terence McKenna spends a lot of time in "True Hallucinations" (and in his raves and other writings) on the subject of Telepathy, as developed via psilocybin use, and he was one of the most iconoclastic of them all in terms of his take on India and gurus.

 

So if some of the gurus have a more gradual, lasting way to evolve these innate potentials of the human (let's use that phrasing instead of saying "acquire powers"), then maybe we should not completely turn them off. Let's stay open to learning from them, because their eastern framework and archetypes are different than ours, and perhaps they've discovered some things that we need to learn.

Let's allow ourselves to struggle with this a bit, because maybe it's through the tension between thesis and antithesis that a greater synthesis will be born.

 

Thank you Somenobody for your transparent sharing. I feel the same -- psychedelics have helped me a lot, but they're not for everyone (except in the sense that we are everyone, and at some stage or another, perhaps, "every one" will take a psychedelic journey).

 

This is so cool...Thanks everyone :) 3~' Shanti

Mckenna on India...

Submitted by Allowah on Sat, 03/07/2009 - 21:19.

Mckenna is here no doubt engaging in hyperbole once again for dramatic effect, but this is apparently reflective of his overall outlook on India and Hinduism:

 

"I had traveled India in search of the miraculous. I had visited its temples and ashrams, its jungles and mountain retreats. But Yoga, a lifetime calling, the obsession of a disciplined and ascetic few, was not sufficient to carry me to the inner landscapes that I sought.

 

" I learned in India that religion, in all times an places where the luminous flame of the spirit had guttered low, is not more than a hustle. Religion in India stares from world-weary eyes familiar with four millennia of priestcraft. Modern Hindu India to me was both an antithesis and a fitting prelude to the nearly archaic shamanism that I found in the lower Rio Putomayo of Colombia when I arrived there to begin studying the shamanic use of hallucinogenic plants." (Food of the Gods, p.4) 3~' Shanti

This reminds me of Gary

Submitted by drew hempel on Sat, 03/07/2009 - 23:08.

This reminds me of Gary Snyder's excellent travel book on India. He's with some guru and they run into Ginsburg and the guru is put-off by Ginsburg's obsession with finding good psychedelics. Ram Dass was very lucky in that he found a real energy master in India when they are so rare, with most of the sadhus aspiring or pretending, with no real results. Even still Ram Dass' teacher was fickle to say the least, as was Poonjaji (athough the biography NOTHING EVER HAPPENED is highly recommended). The problem being that Westerners do not take the celibacy training seriously as Vivekananda stated: religion is just sublimated sexuality. In the West we think of celibacy as repression of sex when in fact, as per tantra, the true meaning is unlimited mutual climaxes for males and females -- but this is also the great scandalous secret of nonwestern religion. The electromagnetic energy out of the pineal gland is what causes the male to give the female the climax whereas the electrochemical energy of the female is what powers the electromagnetic energy of the male -- this was called "collecting the N/um of young maidens" in the Bushmen trance dance healing tradition (the dominant shamanic practice for 90% of human history, from 10,000 BCE to 90,000 BCE).

 

Even the Bushmen sometimes used psychedelics to help initiate the sex sublimation training (but mainly the plants were used for females who wanted to be healers). The males would spend a month in solitude during puberty, mainly fasting, dancing all hours, learning to transcend thirst, hunger and finally death. Yeah it's a tough training but the difference is that DMT plants are based electrochemical energy whereas alchemy is based on electromagnetic energy -- created directly from consciousness itself. The ultimate teaching of India is that all the healing and astral travel is just an illusion and only pure consciousness is real but to achieve that state means total isolation from females, again, so that the left-brain vagus nerve over-rides the heart, via the parasympathetic nervous system, and the "knot is cut" so that eternal liberation is achieved. This level of electromagnetic focus is after the person is able to make other physical bodies, much less have precognition, telepathy, telekinesis, etc. -- but all those powers must be rejected for the eternal truth of the source of all energy and time, etc. Yeah it's a rare thing -- as Poonjaji and Ramana Maharshi and David Godman state -- only a handful of people on the planet ever achieve this state during any one generation. Despite so many claims otherwise.

thank you, Drew

Submitted by Allowah on Wed, 03/11/2009 - 00:07.

Thank you, that's very helpful, Drew. Where are you getting a lot of what you are saying -- from your Qi Gong teacher, the John Chang path, or another source or multiple sources? Would love to explore this more, especially if there are books specifically on the subject of how psychedelics and the path of alchemy differ or are similar.

Regarding India, it seems like it just wasn't in the cards for Terence to stay and sweep around the ashram for years (as he put it). He had work to do with Dennis in the Amazon Basin. Had he met Baba Neem Karoli , who knows what have happened? Maybe he would have become a kirtan artist, lol . There is a series of YouTube videos of him speaking with Ram Dass, mid-nineties. I haven't watched all of it yet, but it was to his credit that Terence always remained open, despite his sometimes cutting remarks. I really think his "True Hallucinations" is worth reading if you haven't already. btw, Terence talks a good bit about alchemy in T.H., even suggesting that he is a modern alchemist of sorts, or at least of that noble lineage. Please stay in touch. And that goes for anyone else, too...feel free to email me @ allowah13@gmail.com. Ommmmmm

 

ps. Rampuri is a western Yogi who was initiated into the Naga Babas, and he now leads Yoga Shamanism retreats in India and Europe mainly.  I was in contact with him via email for awhile.

Baba Rampuri will host a very unique retreat, in that he will take you inside of the oral tradition of Naga Babas, to the foundation of yoga, in his ashram on the banks of the sacred river Ganga, in Hardwar, North India. You will participate in the daily life of a traditional yogi-shaman among the Naga Babas in Hari Puri Ashram. Baba will give teachings in a traditional manner, around the sacred fire, the dhuni, which results in revelation and knowledge rather than technique and information.

You will enter the Extraordinary World, and learn sacred speech in order to access it and read it. You will learn how to honour and invoke the personalities of nature as the babas do, learn basic rituals, especially those connected with both inner and outer pilgrimage.

The Sacred Speech that Baba will impart to you is the foundation of yoga, mantra, tantra, ayurveda, and astrology, and those subjects and other esoterica will be covered during the retreat.

You will see a clear distinction between science and magic during the retreat, as modern hatha yoga and kriya yoga will be deconstructed. The magical and healing aspects of yoga will be emphasized, as Baba teaches that the Yogi is one who gives blessings of health and prosperity.

Baba will take you on inner journeys during the retreat, guided meditations using sacred speech, and inner landmarks, reflections, and resemblances.

You will also be able to go over your personal practice with Baba.

For those who are ready and wish to go further, Baba will give an initiation at the conclusion of the retreat.

To read more about the retreat, the cost and to enrol, visit rampuri.com

The problem with Ram Dass is

Submitted by drew hempel on Wed, 03/11/2009 - 19:12.

The problem with Ram Dass is that chanting on it's own is still mind yoga without true body transformation. The secret is to practice the "microcosmic orbit" -- get Mantak Chia's very first book, "Awaken the Healing Energy of the Tao" -- which is sort of an introduction to the "Taoist Yoga" book you ordered, an advanced "microcosmic orbit" teaching. Twenty mintues of full-lotus yoga is worth 4 hours of any other practice. So my information comes from just sitting in full-lotus all the time while constantly feeding my brain with the library (dvd documentaries, books I order, etc.) I've read a book a day for the past 8 years AFTER I got my masters degree. I did get Sri Anandi Ma's chanting c.d.s plus her husband's Kundalini cassette and Sri Dhyanyogi's Shakti book. This is the real transmission! I listen to Sri Anandi Ma's c.d.s all the time now while I meditate.

Thanks, Drew...

Submitted by Allowah on Sat, 03/14/2009 - 22:07.

Once again thank you so much for your response... I don't completely agree about Ram Dass -- perhaps he didn't reach full enlightenment in his lifetime (at least not yet : ), but look at all of the souls he has helped, the hearts he has opened. I don't know that we can really judge him or his path.

 

Agreed, though, that chanting or anything mental is at best a preparation for the alchemization of the body. I do feel blissful and get a certain buzz from chanting, but after San Pedro and Ayahuasca, there's no comparison. Still, chanting is a wonderful tool for creating a greater sense of harmony on the 3d plane, and I've also experienced its usefulness while shamanic journeying.

 

So have you received Shaktipat initiation from Anandi Ma? Otherwise, how did you get introduced to her? Agreed -- She is a truly amazing being. When I first got into Yoga 13 years ago, I received Shaktipat from her, and I definitely had some interesting experiences. Nothing like what I saw others having, though, and that's partly what's led me to this path. Now that I have had these plant experiences, though, I feel the desire to go see her again to see what I would experience in her presence. Thanks for the tip about Mantak Chia, I'm going to pick up that book. All Love, A 3~' Shanti

After I read the book THIS

Submitted by drew hempel on Tue, 03/17/2009 - 12:46.

After I read the book THIS HOUSE IS ON FIRE I feel asleep in full-lotus after focusing on Sri Anandi Ma. I woke up to seeing this bright, blue light and then remembered that it was particular to Dhyanyogi's shaktipat transmission.

 

Allowah